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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by Joeboy »

boppo1 wrote: post #64
apples_oranges wrote: post #31

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You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren movie. Rouge one was cool though, also first episodes of Mandalorian.. Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? A few days ago I watched the new LILO and Stitch and that was great, so maybe good people still work at Disney …

It's barely star wars. It's a competent spy thriller with star wars paint. Turns out that makes for pretty good adult oriented star wars.

Tony Gilroy's mentioned a lot of influences on Andor, few if any of which had anything to do with Star Wars. Off the top of my head:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Shadows

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_Berlin

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_village_fran%C3%A7ais

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by pixxel »

sandworm101 wrote: post #24
sgt wrote: post #4

Andor is a masterpiece. I recommend everyone to see it. Season 1 is probably the best, but season 2 just continues the brilliance. Unfortunately there won't be a season 3 though - they're making a final movie.

>> Andor is a masterpiece. No. A masterpiece would not have any fluff. There are all number of scenes/characters that could be cut from Andor without any real impact. Entire scenes and characters could be dropped without impacting the narrative. (The entire forest planet sequence imho.) Andor is a product of the "for your consideration" form of review made popular by the Academy (oscars). Each scene is excellent. Eac…

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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by andrepd »

mcv wrote: post #29
meowface wrote: post #15

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I watched it for the first time immediately after finishing Andor. Definitely better than the other Star Wars films but definitely not as good as Andor. (I'm aware the showrunner of Andor co-wrote Rogue One, but Andor really seems like a different tier.)

Andor is by far the best Star Wars. Rogue One is very good, and the only movie that's in the same league as the originals, but Andor is so much better. I don't think we'll see anything on the same level as Andor again; they already cut the original plans from 5 seasons to 2; it's simply too expensive and costs too much time to do it this well. But I do hope that future Star Wars shows will try to follow at least some…

The originals are also very mid-tier, especially the last one. It survives on nostalgia mostly.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by andrepd »

iainmerrick wrote: post #65

To address this interview specifically, rather than just gushing about how great Andor is-- One point Nuyens makes in a few different ways is that they used a variety of tools and techniques at every stage. People often have simplistic, extreme viewpoints like "modern CGI can do anything" or "CGI looks fake and weightless, practical effects are better". But here's somebody with a big part in making a fantastic-lookin…

> Massive real sets with CGI enhancements; sometimes green screens

This is the definition of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy, and they're still some of the best-looking films I've ever seen, far surpassing the modern UE slop.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by ecocentrik »

sandworm101 wrote: post #24
sgt wrote: post #4

Andor is a masterpiece. I recommend everyone to see it. Season 1 is probably the best, but season 2 just continues the brilliance. Unfortunately there won't be a season 3 though - they're making a final movie.

>> Andor is a masterpiece. No. A masterpiece would not have any fluff. There are all number of scenes/characters that could be cut from Andor without any real impact. Entire scenes and characters could be dropped without impacting the narrative. (The entire forest planet sequence imho.) Andor is a product of the "for your consideration" form of review made popular by the Academy (oscars). Each scene is excellent. Eac…

Your pedantry probably requires a rewatch.

I also think "masterpiece" is a heavy term to throw around but the emotional impact of the this series and the complexity of its narrative as it catalogs a hero's journey from reluctant participant to true believer with an epic story arc can be held up next to most film and historical epics like Laurence of Arabia, Ben Hur, The Matrix, the Original Star Wars trilogy, Dune, Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator, The Handmaid's Tale (series), The Odyssey (epic poem). His personal journey which leads to his persecution and enslavement, his role in leading a slave uprising, rescuing his friends from the aftermath of a rebel uprising, building the foundations of a rebel army, risking his life countless times and ultimately sacrificing himself to prevent his enemy from having an insurmountable edge.

The series makes the very popular "Avengers" film series look like trite dogshit and does the same for most of the "Star Wars" sequels and prequels so I don't fault people for using the term "masterpiece".

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by emptysongglass »

guilamu wrote: post #58
apples_oranges wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren movie. Rouge one was cool though, also first episodes of Mandalorian.. Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? A few days ago I watched the new LILO and Stitch and that was great, so maybe good people still work at Disney …

"You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right?" We are not. Andor is the best Star Wars ever made, full stop. IMHO, it surpasses, by far, anything Lucas ever did.

Yes, it's easy to view Lucas' films with a rose-tinted lens, but try and watch them now and you see: poor acting, poor writing, one-dimensional characters and plot points.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by belval »

Joeboy wrote: post #61
kriro wrote: post #47

I think Andor is a bit over hyped in this threat. I absolutely love it (especially the Imperial side of things) but saying it is better than the original movies is a bit too much. If you take into account the time and technical possibilities it's not even close. And the original movies have more memorable things overall. I mean the two villains alone are all time greats. The music is also better (imo). But most impor…

Andor is a very good TV show, but it's obviously getting extra appreciation because it's part of a beloved but increasingly exhausted franchise.

It's the opposite for me. I could not be more burnt out on StarWars, when they introduced the force in season 2 I rolled my eyes and it somewhat took me out of it. The main downside of watching Andor is that you have your brain nagging you about eposide 7 making everything that you are watching pointless (the new republic is obliterated after 20-30 years).

I have friends that I can't convince to watch it because they are just too done with that universe in general.

But that's the thing, Andor could be outside of StarWars and just its own thing because the world building that it does on its own is excellent, the premise (empire vs rebellion/revolutionaries) is mostly intemporal.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by sandworm101 »

ecocentrik wrote: post #75
sandworm101 wrote: post #24

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>> Andor is a masterpiece. No. A masterpiece would not have any fluff. There are all number of scenes/characters that could be cut from Andor without any real impact. Entire scenes and characters could be dropped without impacting the narrative. (The entire forest planet sequence imho.) Andor is a product of the "for your consideration" form of review made popular by the Academy (oscars). Each scene is excellent. Eac…

Your pedantry probably requires a rewatch. I also think "masterpiece" is a heavy term to throw around but the emotional impact of the this series and the complexity of its narrative as it catalogs a hero's journey from reluctant participant to true believer with an epic story arc can be held up next to most film and historical epics like Laurence of Arabia, Ben Hur, The Matrix, the Original Star Wars trilogy, Dune, K…

A masterpiece does not require an enormous story, theme or anything else "epic". That is a characteristic of blockbusters.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by spankibalt »

sandworm101 wrote: post #51
dalanmiller wrote: post #50

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What films could be categorised in this way?

Jaws. The Shawshank Redemption. Alien. The first Jurassic Park. My Cousin Vinney. I would say that there is not a single scene that can be removed from these movies without negatively impacting the story/theme/narrative. Some say that Star Wars IV and V fit this definition but I would say there is some eyecandy fluff that could be cut.

> I would say that there is not a single scene that can be removed from these movies without negatively impacting the story/theme/narrative.

Appropriating Saint Exupéryian (et al.) notions regarding the unattainable (perfection) to judge an artwork is a sucker's bet to me.

And in the cited works I rate as cinematic masterpieces scene editing (e. g. removal) is most certainly possible without having a negative impact on your criteria, but that is a completely moot point anyways.

With regards to Andor's forest arc: It is, amongst other things that are most certainly more appreciated by a specific set of people, a very interesting mediation on time and the notion "where there's competence, there's always also incompetence", often manifesting in very comical and surreal ways.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by hotsauceror »

entropie wrote: post #39
Denvercoder9 wrote: post #13

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> they're making a final movie. They're not making a movie; the entire series is a prequel to the 2016 movie Rogue One .

Well, in almost 40 years, the entire timeline has been shaken up several times and films and series have been inserted again and again In any case, i would be careful with such absolute statements

Perhaps your cautionary admonishments are unwarranted in this specific scenario.

It is logical enough to conclude that a story ending in two intelligence agents flying off for a time-sensitive meeting with a confidential informant, is an immediate prequel to the story that begins with the same two intelligence agents landing and meeting that confidential informant.

This is not quite the same situation as the end of Rogue One and A New Hope, where some people make the argument that Rogue One ends just a few minutes before ANH begins; I am not convinced by that argument, although the cinematography certain seems to be leading us there.

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