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CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#71
- your antimatter qualifies for Free Shipping if you purchase additional eligible particles up to $100,000,000

- or choose default shipping (no containment used, wait for spontaneous virtual quantum particle in your vicinity) approx delivery date Jul 23rd 32,345 AD

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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post #55

What will be the blast radius if there is an accident?

They're moving particles around. Not big blobs of the stuff. Any "blast radius" would not extend beyond the container. No-one will be exploding helicopters above the Vatican today.

What about warp drives?

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#73
post #17

Last week I had the chance to visit CERN's Antimatter Factory, and let me tell you I was feeling like a child on Christmas Day. The ridiculously advanced technology required to produce only a few picograms of antimatter is truly impressive. That they are considering sending it hundreds of km away is mind blowing.

I've seen this expressed before, but every picture I've seen of CERN just looks like a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics. So I'm not sure why people react like you do towards it. Is it different from seeing it in pictures? To me things like tokamak fusion reactors or rockets or even places like the massive piles of pipe work outside of SpaceX's launch site feel way cooler.

Man, I've been in their underground part, every 5 years they open for public and open the detectors themselves. It was by huge margin by far the best executed engineering of any type I ever saw, and I don't consider myself a nerd in this area. Every tiny detail was simply perfect, not a speck of dust, all cables aligned perfectly etc. Seeing inner parts of these massive detector tubes (maybe 10x20m ?) was the pinnacle of the show.

Pictures simply don't do it justice. One can't replace physical travelling and experiencing things (and people) for whatever purpose and this shows it well.

That being said, since I live not far from there, I certainly hope that containment is flawless, don't want to experience matter-antimatter annihilation of non-trivial amounts anywhere near my kids, or myself for that matter (NIMBYism at its best, get your damn antimatter off my lawn!)

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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What you really need here is a zero point energy stabilized meta-material lattice that interacts with matter the same way as it does antimatter, since it's a structure composed of the lowest form of energy. It can manage the boundary between them. That would make it a lot less energy intensive to transport antimatter.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#77

Not sure why, but I found it amusing when they said that the antimatter "reached speeds of over 40 km/hour." Not sure what the speeds are at the point of its creation (there are knowledgeable folks on here who will know, I'm sure), but that must seem sloooooow in comparison.

The anti proton was very fast, but it needs to capture a positron to become an antimatter hydrogen atom. This happens after the anti proton was slowed down.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#79

A Nobel prize is due to the first person that proves whether exporting antimatter results in negative import duties or not.

Clearly it would result in tariffs paid in anti-money…

For those who missed it, “antimony” is element 51 so it’s not just a pun on “anti-“ but a reference to another element.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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post #17

Last week I had the chance to visit CERN's Antimatter Factory, and let me tell you I was feeling like a child on Christmas Day. The ridiculously advanced technology required to produce only a few picograms of antimatter is truly impressive. That they are considering sending it hundreds of km away is mind blowing.

I've seen this expressed before, but every picture I've seen of CERN just looks like a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics. So I'm not sure why people react like you do towards it. Is it different from seeing it in pictures? To me things like tokamak fusion reactors or rockets or even places like the massive piles of pipe work outside of SpaceX's launch site feel way cooler.

> just looks like a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics

You just described a tokamak fusion reactor. So at the end of the day you either know exactly what you're looking at and are in awe of the entire achievement, or have no idea what you're looking at and maybe are in awe of the massive pile of engineeringy looking bits and bobs.

Same effect visiting any massive chemical plant or oil refinery (because the processes usually require a lot of pipes, huge containers, and so on), that make you wonder "how on Earth do they even remember where everything is, let alone design and build it".

Not much different from art if you think about it. You can see a masterpiece painting, or some paint on a piece of cloth.

But for all of the above, when you know what those are, the impressive effect is amplified.

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