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CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

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post #17

Last week I had the chance to visit CERN's Antimatter Factory, and let me tell you I was feeling like a child on Christmas Day. The ridiculously advanced technology required to produce only a few picograms of antimatter is truly impressive. That they are considering sending it hundreds of km away is mind blowing.

I designed some of the kit in that building! (Specifically for the alpha G experiment) Super proud of it.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#52
post #17

Last week I had the chance to visit CERN's Antimatter Factory, and let me tell you I was feeling like a child on Christmas Day. The ridiculously advanced technology required to produce only a few picograms of antimatter is truly impressive. That they are considering sending it hundreds of km away is mind blowing.

I've seen this expressed before, but every picture I've seen of CERN just looks like a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics. So I'm not sure why people react like you do towards it. Is it different from seeing it in pictures? To me things like tokamak fusion reactors or rockets or even places like the massive piles of pipe work outside of SpaceX's launch site feel way cooler.

Perhaps it depends on what you work on day-to-day because "a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics" sounds _extremely_ cool to me!

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#53
post #3

Do you think they can overnight me an antikindle?

The bank servicing the transaction will have to upgrade their internal software for money representation.

Order an antikindle and your bank balance goes UP? I like the sound of that.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#54

one of the most interesting of antimatter experiments is that if they somehow showed antimatter only experience 60% gravity, that will be huge. (earlier result of measuring antimatter’s gravity showed they don’t posses antigravity, but they seems to experiences less gravity. I guess a dedicated follow up experiment will likely get better measurement on whether antimatter indeed experience less gravity.)

It would be top sci-fi if anti-matter had anti-gravity.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#56

one of the most interesting of antimatter experiments is that if they somehow showed antimatter only experience 60% gravity, that will be huge. (earlier result of measuring antimatter’s gravity showed they don’t posses antigravity, but they seems to experiences less gravity. I guess a dedicated follow up experiment will likely get better measurement on whether antimatter indeed experience less gravity.)

I believe this was already settled? Didn’t it just experience gravity the same way?

Antimater has positively charged electrons (positrons) and negatively charged protons (antiprotons). Its neutrons are antineutrons made of a positron and antiproton.

So just the charges are swapped around.

Charges interact with electric fields.

Gravity is related to mass. It doesn't matter whether the bulk of the mass comes from negatively or positively charged particles.

Of course, antimatter has opposite electrical attraction. If an antimatter plastic comb attracts antimatter styrofoam crumbs, those crumbs will be repelled by the matter plastic comb (luckily for them).

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#58

one of the most interesting of antimatter experiments is that if they somehow showed antimatter only experience 60% gravity, that will be huge. (earlier result of measuring antimatter’s gravity showed they don’t posses antigravity, but they seems to experiences less gravity. I guess a dedicated follow up experiment will likely get better measurement on whether antimatter indeed experience less gravity.)

This is incorrect. The only measurement of antimatter gravity so far by ALPHA-g resulted in no difference to normal matter within the experimental uncertainty [1]. This is not surprising, since any difference would violate conservation of energy.

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06527-1

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#59
post #17

Last week I had the chance to visit CERN's Antimatter Factory, and let me tell you I was feeling like a child on Christmas Day. The ridiculously advanced technology required to produce only a few picograms of antimatter is truly impressive. That they are considering sending it hundreds of km away is mind blowing.

I've seen this expressed before, but every picture I've seen of CERN just looks like a massive pile of wiring, magnets and generic electronics. So I'm not sure why people react like you do towards it. Is it different from seeing it in pictures? To me things like tokamak fusion reactors or rockets or even places like the massive piles of pipe work outside of SpaceX's launch site feel way cooler.

It would be the same as someone visiting a modern art museum, and see weird spashes of paint and a banana nailed to a wall.

It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

Re: CERN gears up to ship antimatter across Europe

#60
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making antimatter bombs really doesn't make sense. We can only make miniscule amounts of the stuff at very high cost. If you want evil bombs, we already have nukes.

There was a time that was said about nukes. They didn't really make sense. We were only able to make minuscule amounts of U-235 / Plutonium at very high cost... and had we wanted evil bombs, we had a thousand ways already to make them. Didn't stop people then. And it won't stop sufficiently criminal governments today.

I'm not saying we already have nukes in the sense that will stop people from wanting a better bomb. I'm saying we already have a much better bomb than antimatter so why would people invest in making a much shittier bomb?

And we don't even have to reach for nukes. Dynamite is also a better choice for blowing things up than antimatter.

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