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'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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Re: 'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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Climbing Mt. Everest is three times more deadly than driving -- that is, 3x the chance of dying while driving anytime in your entire life .

Climbing Everest is an elite endeavor. Most mountaineers are summiting 14ers in Colorado or doing something similar.

Mountains can be orders of magnitude safer than Mt. Everest and still make your initial assertion wrong. I brought up Mt. Everest to show just how wildly wrong your claim could be.

Re: 'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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> Mountains are inherently dangerous, unpredictable places in ways that roads usually aren't. Mountains are peaceful places without the majority of people around them required to keep perfectly attentive to their surroundings so they don't kill you. If you're in the mountains, your likelihood of experiencing dangerous situations depends on the environment, your skill and fitness, the weather, and maybe others on the…

You seem to be arguing from the idea that roads are filled with "killing machines" while mountains are "peaceful". But that's arguing from emotion. The only thing that actually matters is statistics. And statistically, it seems like people get injured far more often when climbing on mountains than when on the road to climbing. It doesn't matter if you might die on roads because you "get distracted for a moment", beca…

Now it's about statistics but your comment was a personal, unconvincing anecdote by your own admission.

> You seem to be arguing from the idea that roads are filled with "killing machines" while mountains are "peaceful".

If you're a pedestrian or cyclist or passenger, you're relying on everyone elses ability to drive safely and not veer into you. If all it takes is a split second decision to do something different and simply turn into you, that's a killing machine as much as it is a transportation device. You can't do that on a bus or train without a gun, and it would be far from easy to do that on the mountains.

Re: 'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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It's very dangerous, but I think "most serious practitioners die sooner or later" is an exaggeration. The number I see is 1 death per 500 jumps, which I assume is also biased towards people with less experience. It might have been true for the pioneers of the sport though.

I (and probably the commenter you're replying to) meant wingsuit BASE jumping, who is considered one of the most dangerous sports in the world. I think it's borderline suicide. I think its practitioners are thrill seekers who want a higher and higher rush, much like an addiction, which has a high chance of killing them. It's more dangerous than jumping from a plane with a wingsuit.

I'm under the impression that wing suit base jumping is a lot safer than it was 20 years ago due to design improvements, and I believe that's what the 1 in 500 number I see in a few articles comes from. I could be wrong, but it matches the impression I have from watching a few content creators doing it.

Re: 'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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No, stop that. That's bullshit and Will Gadd calls it out: https://www.instagram.com/realwillgadd/p/CdoHJjag_QC/

Will Gadd and his friends are at an elite level. They would call most mountain climbing done in the continental US, summits like Mt. Baldy, "hiking."

This is a confusing example because Baldy has hiking routes to the summit in the spring/summer/fall, and also a pretty technical mountaineering route used in winter which people (often unprepared for conditions) die trying almost every year. Nobody ought to call the hiking route mountaineering, nor the mountaineering route a hike.

Re: 'I found your dad': The mystery of a missing climber

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This mountain was also the site of the most deadly avalanche/landslide in recorded history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Huascar%C3%A1n_debris_ava...

That reminds me of another crazy weather event that you rarely hear about, the 1972 Iran Blizzard:

> Southern Iran received as much as 7.9 metres (26 ft) of snow, burying at least 4,000 individuals. According to contemporary reports by the newspaper Ettela'at, the city of Ardakan and outlying villages were hardest hit, with no survivors in Kakkan or Kumar. In the northwest, near the border with Turkey, the village of Shaklabad and its 100 inhabitants were buried. According to some experts, about 200 villages were buried under the snow and completely erased from the map.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Iran_blizzard

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