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Redis is open source again

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Re: Redis is open source again

#71

This will be very relevant when Valkey decides to go closed source. It's better than the previous state of course, but it would have been even better if the previous license change didn't happen. As the french people say: fool me once, shame on you...

Valkey is a Linux Foundation project. Talking about license changes is just pure irrational FUD.

Re: Redis is open source again

#72
Very interesting that this is happening at the same time that NATS is going proprietary. Obviously Redis is way more well known, but as someone who has built a bunch on NATS over the last few years, this makes Redis an interesting choice to migrate to again.

Re: Redis is open source again

#73
post #43

Wishing all real-open-source projects best of luck, including valkey, OpenTofu and so on. These are my clear first choice!

Copyleft does not mean fake-open-source, I'd not consider Linux fake-open-source for example. Though plenty of reason to use permissive licenses instead of copyleft and vice versa depending on your situation.

Re: Redis is open source again

#74

Gladly, Valkey has other benefits besides its more permissive license compared to Redis. One of them is multi-threading support, which makes it pretty easy for someone like me—who has a bit of a skill issue with DevOps—to actually utilize all CPU cores for my caching layer.

The I/O threading was initially implemented by myself, when I was still working on the core before rejoining, and is also available in Redis. So this is actually another case of the benefits ValKey got for being able to clone Redis, receiving money from the hyper-scalers that just want to maximize their revenues...

They made certain improvements later, but Redis 8 (see the release notes in my blog post if you are curious) improved this stuff a lot, too.

Also, Redis 8 contains a new data structure, Vector Sets, that allows to do many useful things, together with more probabilistic data structures, single hash fields expires, and many other stuff. It is not factually correct that ValKey has any features edge over Redis I believe. We will see in the next year which project takes the best development path: this is what really matters.

Re: Redis is open source again

#76
post #68

I'm curious whether the community will trust Redis-the-company again after this, or if they'll choose to stick with Valkey. The other concern is at least some big company legal departments are wary of AGPL software, which makes Valkey, still BSD, more attractive to them. Edit: Regardless, thank you and the rest of the folks inside Redis for pushing to bring this back to OSS!

Statistically nobody is using valkey.

Are there usage stats available? How do you know this?

Re: Redis is open source again

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very much doubt that anyone will stick with valkey after the PaaS providers switch back to just offering Redis proper.

Why would PaaS providers switch back to offering Redis? They've clearly all already invested a lot in Valkey (AWS, GCP, Heroku).

AWS and GCP offer valkey-based versions of products that are typically based on Redis, but those versions are currently, generally, preview-grade, and statistically zero customers are using them. They still offer the original, Redis-based versions of those products, which, statistically, 100% of their customers are using.

Re: Redis is open source again

#78

Our company made the switch over to Valkey, and we've invested hundreds of engineering hours into it already. I don't see us switching back at this point especially when it's clear Redis could easily pull the bait-and-switch again.

Your company invested hundreds of engineering hours switching from Redis to a clean fork of Redis?

I believe it. There are companies that invested hundreds of engineering hours to rename master to main.

Re: Redis is open source again

#79
post #33

I contributed a minor (but imho still neat :p) improvement to Redis under its original license, and personally moved to using redict when the unexpected license change to SSPL was announced - and I was feeling betrayed as a contributor to a properly-FOSS-codebase. (Had they switched to AGPL right away, I'd have been perfectly fine with that change from a moral perspective, ftr.) I have a great deal of respect for ant…

Anyway: thanks for having contributed to Redis :)

Re: Redis is open source again

#80
post #68

I'm curious whether the community will trust Redis-the-company again after this, or if they'll choose to stick with Valkey. The other concern is at least some big company legal departments are wary of AGPL software, which makes Valkey, still BSD, more attractive to them. Edit: Regardless, thank you and the rest of the folks inside Redis for pushing to bring this back to OSS!

Statistically nobody is using valkey.

I don't know about valkey but I got word Nvidia was switching away from Redis.
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