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The Brief Origins of May Day

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Post by cruzcampo »

constantcrying wrote: post #68
parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

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But software developers are the working class. Anyone who derives their income from labor is.

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Post by flmontpetit »

naming_the_user wrote: post #46
parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

From a personal perspective - I don't care that much about "labour issues" because it seems like a logically flawed avenue to explore to begin with. To be financially successful under any market system I can think of requires you, in a mathematical sense, to be close enough to the top within a company that you get a greater proportion of the profit than simply 1/employees. In simple terms - I can't employ a maid unle…

Can you employ a doctor even if you don't make more than a doctor? I would hope so.

Re: The Brief Origins of May Day

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Post by constantcrying »

matkoniecz wrote: post #47
parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

The unions I have heard about or seen in action (in Poland or from news) either (1) demanded flat payment increases for all workers based on seniority etc. Which may make sense for factory workers but I am not enthusiastic about flat rates for programmers not taking into account actual experience/availability/output etc. Factory workers in many cases do job that can be easily rated and measured and do some specific a…

The union at my workplace is of the opinion that engineering jobs should be outsourced so that factory work can be kept onshore.

Do you think I would join an organization like that? There is a clear conflict of interest between blue and white color workers and the more numerous blue color workers push the union to prioritize them.

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Post by cruzcampo »

constantcrying wrote: post #73
matkoniecz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The unions I have heard about or seen in action (in Poland or from news) either (1) demanded flat payment increases for all workers based on seniority etc. Which may make sense for factory workers but I am not enthusiastic about flat rates for programmers not taking into account actual experience/availability/output etc. Factory workers in many cases do job that can be easily rated and measured and do some specific a…

The union at my workplace is of the opinion that engineering jobs should be outsourced so that factory work can be kept onshore. Do you think I would join an organization like that? There is a clear conflict of interest between blue and white color workers and the more numerous blue color workers push the union to prioritize them.

There should be a separate white collar workers union.

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Post by constantcrying »

cruzcampo wrote: post #71
constantcrying wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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But software developers are the working class. Anyone who derives their income from labor is.

Sure. And that is why protesting looks so ridiculous. The oppressed working class, making six figures typing away in a well furnished office.

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Post by masijo »

constantcrying wrote: post #68
parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

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You know, there's a lot more to the working class than just manual labor. Anyone that depends on a wage to live is a worker, and we all share the same struggles.

Re: The Brief Origins of May Day

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

Because you have to take more of men’s dignity before they collectivize against you

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Post by cratermoon »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #61
parpfish wrote: post #16

Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

What makes solidarity between workers possible is the homogeneity of their labour. This condition is not present for tech workers. Labour market conditions are completely different from those of say, a meat processing plant or a factory assembly line.

generative ai is rapidly homogenizing tech labor. By design.
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