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Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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im frankly a little dumbfounded at the state of the tiktok "ban" in the USA. Bytedance has been absolutely adamant that it cannot, and will not sell. This has not stopped droves of American politicians from stepping forward and insisting they can facilitate the sale, find buyers, begin negotiations, draft contracts, review and finalize deals, you name it... Nothing has changed. Bytedance will. not. sell. if history i…

I’m confused why you think a voluntary sale is the only possible way it can be “sold”. What if they seize the US operations, which are headquartered in LA, and sell those seized assets?

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> The president has an obligation to faithfully execute the law. To whom? It doesn't bother him personally. It thrills his supporters. Those who wish for such an obligation show no willingness to tar and feather him for non-compliance, preventing their wishes from becoming reality. What's left?

> To whom? The presidents oath to his office for one, the constitution, the rule of law, the citizens of the United States. Easy to say whom/what/why. Let's separate that from enforcement mechanisms.

Isn't there precedent from federal laws on marijuana not being enforced? Has that gone to the Supreme Court?

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Twitch is bleeding users to YouTube--watch time is consistently decreasing YoY. IMO, they're stuck between YouTube and Discord and can't figure out a compelling offering over the two.

source of stats please?

The stats are pretty public.

https://twitchtracker.com/statistics

This is on top of the fact that they laid off over half the company in the last couple years.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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im frankly a little dumbfounded at the state of the tiktok "ban" in the USA. Bytedance has been absolutely adamant that it cannot, and will not sell. This has not stopped droves of American politicians from stepping forward and insisting they can facilitate the sale, find buyers, begin negotiations, draft contracts, review and finalize deals, you name it... Nothing has changed. Bytedance will. not. sell. if history i…

I’m confused why you think a voluntary sale is the only possible way it can be “sold”. What if they seize the US operations, which are headquartered in LA, and sell those seized assets?

They could do that, but Tiktok's most valuable asset is their recommendation algorithm

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source of stats please?

The stats are pretty public. https://twitchtracker.com/statistics This is on top of the fact that they laid off over half the company in the last couple years.

i'm not deep on this world so thank you for this.

honestly yeah its declined some but not as bad as feared. it's still well above pre covid trendline.

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This kind of thing also has me surprised to see TikTok only at #4. A lot of content on Meta properties are now reposts from TikTok. It feels like the latter is driving conversation.

But then add to that repost content the amount of Meta properties only posts that do not make TikTok. Essentially, TikTok + Meta > TikTok only

That's not the sentiment I tend to hear from people who use both. I've heard a number of people point out that Meta platforms are stale copy of what you saw on TikTok a long time ago.

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> To whom? The presidents oath to his office for one, the constitution, the rule of law, the citizens of the United States. Easy to say whom/what/why. Let's separate that from enforcement mechanisms.

Isn't there precedent from federal laws on marijuana not being enforced? Has that gone to the Supreme Court?

Not an apples to apples comparison. Marijuana laws are about States making(edit typo) laws to legalize something the federal government has laws against. That can be settled if it goes to the supreme court.

This situation is about the federal government not following the laws it sets for itself.

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> To whom? The presidents oath to his office for one, the constitution, the rule of law, the citizens of the United States. Easy to say whom/what/why. Let's separate that from enforcement mechanisms.

> The presidents oath to his office for one, the constitution, the rule of law You cannot be obligated to the inanimate. It would be fair to say that these things are symbols representing people, who you can be obligated to, but that brings us back to trying to figure out who those people are. > the citizens of the United States. Like, as in the citizens that voted for him? His entire campaign was ran on the promise…

> It would be fair to say that these things are symbols representing people

This is built in to the normal context of the topic. When people talk about the constitution in this situations people are not talking about a piece of paper with writing on it.

> Like, as in the citizens that voted for him? ... They have not (to this point) established the obligation.

Can you layout the existing cases for him being obligated? You are not addressing any of the common/standard political theory arguments for it here. I can not tell what sort of political theory or government you are proposing here either so I can not respond to that.

>> Let's separate that from enforcement mechanisms.

> You can't, really. Without motivation, there is no obligation.

This seems like it is a semantics issue.

": the action of obligating oneself to a course of action (as by a promise or vow)[1]

Yeah All presidents do that when they take their oath.

"1. a moral or legal requirement; duty" [2]

yeah that applies too.

"An obligation is a course of action which someone is required to take, be it a legal obligation or a moral obligation. Obligations are constraints; they limit freedom. People who are under obligations may choose to freely act under obligations. Obligation exists when there is a choice to do what is morally good and what is morally unacceptable.[1] There are also obligations in other normative contexts, such as obligations of etiquette, social obligations, religious, and possibly in terms of politics, where obligations are requirements which must be fulfilled. These are generally legal obligations, which can incur a penalty for non-fulfilment, although certain people are obliged to carry out certain actions for other reasons as well, whether as a tradition or for social reasons." [3]

Yeah that applies to the presidential case too.

So you are not using obligation in 100% typical fashion. You really seem to be using obligation as a synonym for ~"enforcement mechanism" or maybe "enforced action" and more often than not that is not how I have seen it used both in everyday life and political theory.

I think you are breezing over the existing "enforcement mechanism" and consequences or at least potential consequences for situations like this as well. That maybe because you have a political theory, that is not laid out here, that covers/makes that obvious though.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obligation

[2] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/obligat...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obligation

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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> The presidents oath to his office for one, the constitution, the rule of law You cannot be obligated to the inanimate. It would be fair to say that these things are symbols representing people, who you can be obligated to, but that brings us back to trying to figure out who those people are. > the citizens of the United States. Like, as in the citizens that voted for him? His entire campaign was ran on the promise…

> It would be fair to say that these things are symbols representing people This is built in to the normal context of the topic. When people talk about the constitution in this situations people are not talking about a piece of paper with writing on it. > Like, as in the citizens that voted for him? ... They have not (to this point) established the obligation. Can you layout the existing cases for him being obligated…

> This is built in to the normal context of the topic.

If the people involved believe in it and are willing to uphold it. It doesn't mean anything otherwise. You don't become obligated just because someone says so.

> Yeah All presidents do that when they take their oath.

An oath assumes that the actor will cast judgement upon themself if they violate its intent. That goes out the window if the person doesn't care. You don't become obligated just because someone says so.

While many people do believe in an oath, giving it utility, not all people do. If they did, you could deal with all social problems with oaths. But the world is not so simple, I'm afraid.

> There are also obligations in other normative contexts, such as obligations of etiquette, social obligations, religious, and possibly in terms of politics, where obligations are requirements which must be fulfilled.

Again, that only applies if all parties share the same norms, etiquette, and social expectations. Without that, there is no obligation. You don't become obligated just because someone says so.

> These are generally legal obligations, which can incur a penalty for non-fulfilment, although certain people are obliged to carry out certain actions for other reasons as well

There are legal directives on paper, which may be what is confusing you, but paper is inanimate. Obligations can only be to people. There is no sign of people offering the motivation necessary for those laws to become obligations. You don't become obligated just because someone (or something) says so.

> So you are not using obligation in 100% typical fashion.

I am using it as defined by the dictionary, but perhaps you have your own pet definition? It seems you believe that all I have to say is: "You must make me lunch from now on!" and an obligation has been made. -- I fail to find any utility in that definition.

> You really seem to be using obligation as a synonym for ~"enforcement mechanism"

No. Not at all. The previous president was obligated without enforcement. He was compelled by his inner desire to do the right thing. The current president does not have that. It is true that enforcement is probably the only thing that would compel an obligation in this specific case, but that is not a precondition on the word, just the reality of the situation we are discussing.

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