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DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

_heimdall wrote: post #23
user9999999999 wrote: post #3

destroying institutions is the plan. it's a cynical party. the only time "build" is mentioned is border walls. unfortunately "great" countries aren't BUILT on fear and cynicism.

I'm still not sold on this. I can't yet distinguish if the plan is to get rid of institutions or to gut what's their and rebuild it how the want it. We may not end up with a smaller government, just a different one.

That's the Heritage Foundation christo-fascist plan. Unfortunately they've teamed up with the mad Libertarian wing of the Republicans who turn up in places like HN and complain that all taxation is theft and are ready to burn the country to the ground because they've been so well programmed by propaganda that originally just wanted to build support for a tax cut for the already rich but metastasized into a superpower destroying cult of insanity.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Post by TomK32 »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #56
user9999999999 wrote: post #3

destroying institutions is the plan. it's a cynical party. the only time "build" is mentioned is border walls. unfortunately "great" countries aren't BUILT on fear and cynicism.

If institutions can only be created and never destroyed, how many institutions per person would we end up with?

They can be dismantled. By Congress who created them in the first place and gave the president and his executive only a limited range of powers.

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Post by agumonkey »

relaxing wrote: post #51
agumonkey wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't get fooled by the disruptor narrative, it might very well be just pretentious immaturity

Always was.

Gives me hope that I too one day can benefit from all my psychological flaws

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Post by _heimdall »

relaxing wrote: post #47
_heimdall wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not sold on this. I can't yet distinguish if the plan is to get rid of institutions or to gut what's their and rebuild it how the want it. We may not end up with a smaller government, just a different one.

Their stated goals are lower taxes, less regulation, less government presence. What they want bigger is private riches through industry and church. They all believe this, voter and representative. What part do you think gets built back? Maybe the FBI, when they’re sure it can be weaponized against their enemies.

> What part do you think gets built back?

I wouldn't even begin to guess. This has all moved so quickly that I've yet to find what seems to be a reliable source on what is actually changing.

My point, though, was only that we've so far seen moves to reduce headcount and pause programs. That could be the first step to closing down departments entirely, but it could also be the first step to rebuilding their own version of that department.

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Post by viraptor »

roenxi wrote: post #40

If anyone has been involved in any sort of internal data analytics this is basically what is expected to happen. Data that is used in a new way tends to turn up all sorts of limitations and soft points. Trump, Musk, etc should have been (read: probably were) well aware this was coming; for what it is worth they've surely seen it a few times in business life. That being said, I doubt it is much of a factor. The strate…

> hitting fast & hard is to bypass the unreliable data by triggering screams from the areas that are most important

This works for companies which can risk some debt and restructure and maybe getting better. Worst case they'll go bankrupt. In this case the screams after mistakes will be literal screams of people dying.

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Post by romaaeterna »

turtlesdown11 wrote: post #61
romaaeterna wrote: post #57

US debt is 124% of GDP. That's not as high as UK debt after WWII, 270%, which impoverished the country that had been at the top of the world. But combined with an aging population that has more people than ever hailing from the historically low-achievement global south, you can expect some standard of living adjustment to occur. Your grandparents had a house by your age, and the economic ability to raise a family. Yo…

I love this reply. It's lots of serious words about the debt, and it ignores that Trump and the R party are currently trying to balloon the debt for their tax breaks.

In fact the reply specifically criticizes Trump I, the administration that passed those tax breaks.

Whether you consider yourself either a Democrat or a Republican, this is not a problem that continued party politics can solve.

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Post by mandmandam »

anoxor wrote: post #12
mc32 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And honestly it’s been both parties who have been more than happy to pay lip service to the problem but instead of paring things add additional oversight that has no enforcement power so they only add more weight to the bureaucracy with a few reports no one reads to show for. In the face of deficits, they don’t retrench as individuals and private entities have to.

Totally agree. I think the debt is at 100k per taxpayer. Either taxes or inflation will have to be used to pay that.

> Either taxes or inflation will have to be used to pay that.

Or the .01% class who own the debt could get burned. Sometimes that happens when you make a bad bet, you know?

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Post by doom2 »

nemo44x wrote: post #21

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Is it transparent? Elon got angry when people merely listed the names of some DOGE employees. I still don't think we know the full list of people working under him (and according to court filings, the government claims he isn't even the administrator of DOGE but can't name who is). We also won't be able to get access to DOGE records until well after Trump is out of office [1]. That doesn't sound like maximal transparency to me.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-inf...

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Post by nathanaldensr »

mlnj wrote: post #64
torlok wrote: post #54

Why is this flagged? Even if the comment section isn't up to standards, the article should be relevant to everybody.

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Either that or, you know, we want to keep Hacker News about tech. Lots of us don't want /r/politics here.
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