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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by wslh »

tomxor wrote: post #40
29athrowaway wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When JavaScript was created, Java was a trademark of Sun Microsystems. Then Oracle acquired Sun, and with it, the trademark to Java. And then this crap started. That was the moment to drop "Java" from the name, everyone knows exactly why.

The issue is not with the "Java" trademark (also owned by Oracle), but the "JavaScript" trademark, which was issued to Sun in 1997. JavaScript was released in 1996... and not at Sun. i.e the Language and name both pre-date the trademark.

I'm not a lawyer, but I have a few trademarks myself, and I believe it's possible to apply for a trademark even if the language or term predates it. However, if there's a significant gap between the language's release and the trademark application, that could raise other questions. For example, if JavaScript was created in the '70s but Oracle applied for the trademark in the late '90s, when the language became popular, that could be a more complicated case. In this instance, though, there's only a one-year difference! It's quite common for businesses to file for trademarks after they see value in protecting a term.

By the way, when I filed my first trademark application, Sun Microsystems filed an opposition. What a coincidence! This was before Oracle acquired them.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by MiddleEndian »

jsheard wrote: post #44
MiddleEndian wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke. Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.

They'll support anything nearly forever if that's what their big support contracts want, but unfortunately their interests won't always align with yours...

Yeah of course haha just ranting

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by MiddleEndian »

wongarsu wrote: post #62
MiddleEndian wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke. Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.

For business plans the old Outlook is still supported until "at least 2029" [1]. That's four more years to switch. And Microsoft hasn't even committed to stopping support at that date, they just don't want to promise more. I fully expect them to extend it because some large customers won't have switched. What is unusual is how pushy Microsoft is in trying to get people to switch now instead of in the last second. And…

I specifically mean Windows Mail and Windows Calendar, the fairly minimalist apps, rather than Outlook, which is way too exhausting to use for my personal email and calendar. Plus the Outlook app has ads.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by t0ps0il »

floydnoel wrote: post #48

I'm glad this is being fought, Oracle is a demon. > The major implementations of JavaScript are in the browsers built by Mozilla, Google, Apple, and Microsoft Isn't MS's browser just Chromium? Weird to add them to the list when they don't build a browser any more. Why not add Brave, etc?

> Weird to add them to the list when they don't build a browser any more

It seems like their browser engine is still being supported for use in "Universal Windows Platform" apps, or at least that's what Wikipedia says.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdgeHTML

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by spuz »

ggm wrote: post #6
ndneighbor wrote: post #3

Knowing Oracle, they will take it to court if they can. To paraphrase Cantrill, it's a company that behaves very much like a lawnmower.

If you want to personify the mistaken belief "if a company can make money legally then it is obliged in law to do it, to maximise shareholder value" thing: Oracle is that company. There is only one goal. Immediate reporting cycle uptick benefit. There is no other goal. I can think of almost no play they have made in the market which has any longterm net beneficial outcome for the entire market, despite "grow a bigger…

I wish I could agree that Oracle are somehow acting in the interest of their shareholders but I fail to see how they benefit by spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers to try to protect a trademark that makes them zero revenue and on the whole damages their brand.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by nhumrich »

xiphias2 wrote: post #63

Is ,,Oracle not controlling JavaScript'' really a good argument? Who wants Oracle to start controlling it? We're mostly better off leaving it a gray area maybe until Oracle gets more aggressive with it.

Yes because in trademark lawsuits, proving a brand doesn't actually use it/control it, is a very common way for them to lose the trademark.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by rizky05 »

tw04 wrote: post #70
_7acn wrote: post #64

Just under 30 years ago, when I was starting my IT studies, I had an older colleague who was a great authority to me. When I began learning about RDBMS options, I called him to ask, „What do you think about Oracle?”. He just shouted, „Total crap!!!” and that was enough for me. Since then, to this day, I’ve never touched Oracle.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to say Oracle is total crap. For decades they were more performant and had more features than most anything else on the market. They supported scale-out clustering on linux with Oracle RAC. They were early adopters of high performance NFS moving the NFS stack out of the linux kernel and directly into the database with DirectNFS. They built a clustered filesystem for block-based clu…

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by bjt12345 »

davidsojevic wrote: post #11
kingforaday wrote: post #4

Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

First time I'd ever heard of it too; I ran straight to Google and it only came up with results for "Breville Oracle Jet Espresso Machine" which interestingly enough Breville seem to hold a trademark on "Oracle" itself in the machines and tools class!

I've always sat there wondering if my Breville expresso machine is running Breville JavaScript(c) inside it.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by throwaway2037 »

userbinator wrote: post #65
jsheard wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin I wish they'd done the opposite instead: same UI, but with a better browser engine.

    > better browser engine
I'm confused. Are you saying Chromium or Trident browser engine is better? And, in 2025, is there a better engine than Chromium?
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