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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by xnorswap »

maccard wrote: post #33
xnorswap wrote: post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

I agree windows defender was an absolute game changer, but have you used it in Win11? I upgraded a fairly beefy workstation from win10 to win11 and immediately started to see 10-15x slowdowns on the first run of a task after boot. Things that took 20 seconds were taking 3-4 minutes. I took an etl trace and discovered it was windows defender. Subsequent runs were about 20% worse than on win10. Adding the folder to the…

Windows 11 is horribly slow at everything it does. It's borderline unusable. Just hitting the windows key and typing "notepad" and hitting enter has gone from something that was near instant in windows XP to something that takes 30 seconds and only sometimes might be successful. I'm assuming it's waiting for network requests to send off what I'm typing to bing/cortana/etc before giving me the result I want.

Yes it could also be trying to then virus-check all the data it's sending and receiving without my informed consent.

I'm not trying to say windows 11 is good, just that it's an odd thing to first remove the one product that is still better than the alternatives. Because as horrible as defender is, have you experienced commercial AV products?

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by incrudible »

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who actually care about the platform, but it seems that nowadays they do not have the required ownership.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by xx_ns »

batrat wrote: post #56

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail,…

> if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks

Well... yeah? The computer is a tool. If my tool doesn't do what I want it to do, or, by extension, it does things I didn't ask for or need, then it does suck. If my tool suddenly told me that my toolbox needs another, arbitrary tool Y that I don't need (in this case, TPM), then I will look for another brand.

The fact that "most users" are ignorant doesn't mean that the users who aren't ignorant should be punished. "Most users" are capable of doing the things you listed perfectly fine on other operating systems, like macOS or the various user-friendly Linux distributions, without being treated with hostility by the OS. The argument "it does the job" doesn't really hold water - the entire IT support industry is built on Windows not doing the job when the user doesn't know "why it works" as you put it.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by JSR_FDED »

incrudible wrote: post #72

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who act…

I’m puzzled. On the one hand you don’t want the complexity of a Linux desktop, but you want the hassle that comes with changing GPUs. Over the life of a typical machine is it really worth upgrading the GPU separately?

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by Kenji »

ryandvm wrote: post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

A lack of improvements I could stomach. What bothers me are the regressions! It's getting worse with every update!

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by soco »

incrudible wrote: post #72

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who act…

That's the very point of this discussion: not everybody cares abut the platform. As long browsing and office work, half (or more) of the population would never know a Windows from a Mac. And they shouldn't either.

PS video and music, let aside games, are already for power users.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by LorenDB »

Lanolderen wrote: post #32
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

The barrier to entry is definitely still lower for Win11. I could install it and be productive in it day 1. My personal problems with Linux previously were 1- Things breaking seemingly randomly 2- Having to find alternatives to some of the software I use 3- Generally having to learn a new OS 4- Things like VR and games in general being a bit iffy Now games and VR (4) seem to work very well, everything is a webapp so…

VR is still kinda iffy if you have a Quest; it's possible to get a Quest working but definitely more difficult than most users would tolerate. I believe "normal" PCVR headsets (Valve Index, Bigscreen Beyond, etc.) should work pretty well though.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by bbkane »

incrudible wrote: post #72

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who act…

Apple's (much more) slowly going down to the same "profit over users" road. A year or so ago I started slowly migrating from Apple-only apps to cross-platform apps. Fortunately my main hobbies are YouTube and software side projects so this was pretty easy.

Anyway, when I finally felt my Mac was getting a bit long in the tooth, I loaded Linux (Debian + XFCE in my case, but they say Linux Mint is quite Windows-ish) on my spare gaming desktop (I don't really game much anymore so it was unused), installed the apps, added some Mac-like keyboard shortcuts, and it's worked fine!

Maybe you too can slowly find cross platform alternatives to your apps, so the jump will be easy when your boiling pot gets too hot.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by the_snooze »

incrudible wrote: post #72

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who act…

>I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge.

I switched to Linux a year ago and never looked back. It's done everything I've asked of it with minimal fuss: gaming, dev, local LLMs (accelerated on my AMD GPU), Microsoft Office (in a VM), web browsing and comms, etc. The only hiccups I've encountered are in Steam VR, which only has official support for Windows.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by dgfitz »

Waterluvian wrote: post #31

I have a legal copy of Win 11 and after very carefully scraping all the garbage off of it, I had a gaming and general use system that felt… fine I guess… for months. Then last week I got a full screen “finish setting up windows” that wants me to create a Microsoft account. I have two options: “remind me in 3 days” or “continue… and if you change your mind you can’t actually go back. You have to reboot.” So every thre…

I searched it up for you, no idea if this works:

To disable the "Make account" and "Remind me in 3 days" prompt on Microsoft, navigate to your Windows settings, then go to System > Notifications & actions; within the "Notifications" section, look for options related to "Suggest ways to finish setting up your device" or similar wording and toggle them off to prevent these reminders from appearing.

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