I won’t trust this until I myself can calm an acre of water with a teaspoon of oil. (Or at least see a YouTube video of someone doing it)
YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RST_ylwVrUw&t=1m27s
In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate the size of molecules
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#72> Assuming that the oil formed a single layer of molecules — a monolayer — then the thickness of the oil film is the same thing as the length of one oil molecule. How did he know that the film of oil was one molecule thick? It feels like a huge assumption to me, but maybe this blog post left something out.
Blog post seems to have elided this point, but it did link the original paper which was quite short: https://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gold/pdfs/teaching/old_lite... Rayleigh's experiment was actually trying to solve for the minimum thickness of oil required to stop some camphor shavings from moving around on the water. He never states it explicitly, but I think the assumption is that the minimum thickness required to…
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#73I love articles like this. I feel like too often in science education (at least my science education) that laws and theories are presented as just something that you need to memorize, when in my opinion the stories of how things were originally discovered and figured out is eminently more fascinating and inspiring. Like I remember having to learn all of these biochemical pathways, but I left school with nary a clue a…
Did you get your physics education in high school or university? I only had to take one physics class in the USA at college for my major, quantum electrodynamics for electrical engineering but my professor wrote the textbook and I recall he went over each experiment starting from the fundamentals of our understanding of the basics of the atom, Newton's understanding of light at the time, double slit experiment, to Ma…
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#74This can apply to many other fields too!
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you get your physics education in high school or university? I only had to take one physics class in the USA at college for my major, quantum electrodynamics for electrical engineering but my professor wrote the textbook and I recall he went over each experiment starting from the fundamentals of our understanding of the basics of the atom, Newton's understanding of light at the time, double slit experiment, to Ma…
> experimentally proving general relativity Can you elaborate on that? What experiments did the professor perform?
Re: In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate the size of molecules
#76Re: In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate the size of molecules
#77In 1676 Roemer estimated the speed of light by timing the orbit of Jupiter’s moon Io, noting that as the Earth approached Jupiter, Io emerged from behind Jupiter a little earlier every day, and as the Earth traveled away from Jupiter it appeared a little later every day, with the time of day varying by 22 minutes over a year. Knowing the difference between the two distances, he reckoned that light travels that distan…
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you get your physics education in high school or university? I only had to take one physics class in the USA at college for my major, quantum electrodynamics for electrical engineering but my professor wrote the textbook and I recall he went over each experiment starting from the fundamentals of our understanding of the basics of the atom, Newton's understanding of light at the time, double slit experiment, to Ma…
What’s the name of that textbook? It sounds really interesting. Isaac Asimov wrote a couple books that follow the narrative of science from the beginnings up until the 80s or so, which I highly recommend. One is called Atom and is more focused on how we got to our “present” understanding of particles. There’s also one that takes a broader view, it’s something like History of Science (? not at my bookshelf right now).…
Asimov was incredibly talented.
Re: In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate the size of molecules
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Some powder is added to the water, which covers the surface of the water but not the oil patch (which is circular). Then the oil patch diameter is measured.
This was how we did this when we replicated this experiment in high school. I guess from the other responses here that this wasn't common?
I definitely learned that all science doesn't have to involve complex equipment.
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#80> Assuming that the oil formed a single layer of molecules — a monolayer — then the thickness of the oil film is the same thing as the length of one oil molecule. How did he know that the film of oil was one molecule thick? It feels like a huge assumption to me, but maybe this blog post left something out.
It feels intuitive that a thin fluid on a low-friction surface (like water) would spread out "as much as possible" given enough time. There certainly may be confounding factors, but it seems like a reasonable thing to pin as an "assumption" in a hypothesis. I.e. he didn't have to "know" - assumptions are OK, and I don't feel like this one is huge .
Most fluids do not behave this way in most circumstances, because of surface tension, so it's really not intuitive.
This experiments is one of the few ways you can get an accurate measurement. Many other fluids will either mix or end up as bubbles/blobs many orders of magnitude thicker than a molecule.