Dumb question: what is clojure usually used for ? (in my view, Java is for "enterprise" stuff, python for AI/data sciences, C for performance, etc.)
Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
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#72This is really a massive release with many cool new features My personal favorite is add-libs You can now write single file demos or minimal examples for issues. Really lowers the friction to share small runnable snippets with people You can also actually use it to demo Java libraries as well without all the Java boilerplate. Just poke around in the REPL and paste code into a comment on HN or wherever and anyone can…
Does anyone remember Groovy? It has @Grab annotation which does essentially the same as add-libs you described. Very conventient for writing scripts.
Yes! Groovy does have quite a few under appreciated cool gems, and it’s a shame that is barely getting any attention nowadays..
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
#73Dumb question: what is clojure usually used for ? (in my view, Java is for "enterprise" stuff, python for AI/data sciences, C for performance, etc.)
It is a general programming language (with great interop with Java). You can pretty much build anything with it - web apps (backend + frontend), APIs, Scripts, etc. Anything you can do in Python / Java you can do it in Cloujure. It even has libraries for data crunching (or can use Java libs).
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#74Dumb question: what is clojure usually used for ? (in my view, Java is for "enterprise" stuff, python for AI/data sciences, C for performance, etc.)
"Enterprise" stuff in a much less "enterprise" way is one usage, hence being based off the JVM. Rich Hickey has also mentioned the concept of "situational programs"[1] which Clojure is used in a lot. Clojure is also used in a wide variety of other areas like data science[2] or desktop applications[3] much like other general purpose programming languages.
[1] https://youtu.be/2V1FtfBDsLU?feature=shared&t=639 [2] https://scicloj.github.io/ [3] https://github.com/HumbleUI/HumbleUI
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
#75Dumb question: what is clojure usually used for ? (in my view, Java is for "enterprise" stuff, python for AI/data sciences, C for performance, etc.)
The same advantages of java in a lisp-like shell.
NuBank, OneStudyTeam, CircleCI, and Guaranteed Rate are some of the larger companies I know about personally that have significant investments in Clojure.
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
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Is it going strong? I'm evaluating it for a new project. I'm considering it together with Clara[0]. However, it does give a vibe that it's not as mainstream as it was before and that the ecosystem is more sparse than what is once was. I'm not trying to troll. I want to choose it. It seems like a good engineering decision to me, but if it's nosediving in popularity and contributors, this might bite me back in the near…
What you’re seeing sounds familiar but definitely not new. I’ve used Clojure professionally for 15 years and at no point in that time have you been guaranteed critical mass around any library or framework. Clojure has always been a small ecosystem of high variance people and projects. You get things like Rama and Electric which are bold reimaginings of what systems could look like, but you also get a lot of short liv…
Electric looks outstanding. It seems like the sort of thing that would take some time to spread but once it does and people take the time to learn it it could be huge.
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
#77This is really a massive release with many cool new features My personal favorite is add-libs You can now write single file demos or minimal examples for issues. Really lowers the friction to share small runnable snippets with people You can also actually use it to demo Java libraries as well without all the Java boilerplate. Just poke around in the REPL and paste code into a comment on HN or wherever and anyone can…
Note that Java has a REPL now and scripting support, although something like add-libs is still missing from available meta commands.
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it going strong? I'm evaluating it for a new project. I'm considering it together with Clara[0]. However, it does give a vibe that it's not as mainstream as it was before and that the ecosystem is more sparse than what is once was. I'm not trying to troll. I want to choose it. It seems like a good engineering decision to me, but if it's nosediving in popularity and contributors, this might bite me back in the near…
What you’re seeing sounds familiar but definitely not new. I’ve used Clojure professionally for 15 years and at no point in that time have you been guaranteed critical mass around any library or framework. Clojure has always been a small ecosystem of high variance people and projects. You get things like Rama and Electric which are bold reimaginings of what systems could look like, but you also get a lot of short liv…
Ironically, Clojure seems to be the only guest language on the JVM where the community is welcoming of the platform that makes their existence possible in first place.
Similarly to how Groovy used to be, but I am not counting it as it seems only to be around to power Gradle and little else.
Scala and Kotlin folks speak too much about replacing Java, yet I am yet to see their native variants match JVM in any form or fashion.
Even if we take Android into consideration, Google was forced to update their Java support, as means to keep Java libraries ecosystem available for Android developers and their beloved Kotlin.
Re: Clojure 1.12.0 is now available
#79This is really a massive release with many cool new features My personal favorite is add-libs You can now write single file demos or minimal examples for issues. Really lowers the friction to share small runnable snippets with people You can also actually use it to demo Java libraries as well without all the Java boilerplate. Just poke around in the REPL and paste code into a comment on HN or wherever and anyone can…
Does anyone remember Groovy? It has @Grab annotation which does essentially the same as add-libs you described. Very conventient for writing scripts.
> Does anyone remember Groovy?
I recall that Atlassian had some kind of scripting console where you could run Groovy and interact with its API / objects. It was useful for exploring when writing plugins for bamboo or Jira ...
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#80Dumb question: what is clojure usually used for ? (in my view, Java is for "enterprise" stuff, python for AI/data sciences, C for performance, etc.)
A lot of banking/finance use cases.