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Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by alemanek »

hoosieree wrote: post #56
alemanek wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you account for all taxes this may be true but for just income taxes it isn’t. According to the link below the bottom 50% makeup just 2.34% of income taxes paid. So, eliminating income taxes and maybe adding a return free filing option for the bottom 50% of households looks super doable. Source: https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-page/who-pays-income-taxe...

Income taxes don't affect every person equally though. Plenty of Very Rich people earn zero income.

Yep and that is a separate issue that needs to be addressed. When you have people who are so wealthy that they can switch their nationality on a whim then that requires special solutions.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by rangerelf »

beaglesss wrote: post #57
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #49

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No, they don't. You're trying a false equivalency between a bribe and gratuity. A bribe happens before the service is provided and the service is contingent upon the bribe. Gratuity is post factum, technically based on the quality of the service provided.

Tip 0 and see what kind of service you get the next time. I used to work food delivery and naturally the customers ordering takeout at fancy restaurants would always tip 0 to the restaurant even if they tipped me for delivery. I quickly found myself ignored by all the workers at those restaurants, orders take an hour extra to fill, no one talk to me, etc. eventually I learned to tip out of my own tip because my next…

Because here in the US the tip is considered part of their salary. No tip? You're not paying them for their work, it's no wonder they're ignoring you.

And that can only be fixed with legislation.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by FireBeyond »

bko wrote: post #12

I don't like tipping culture, but it does allow for wealthy people to subsidize service and incentivizes good service. People that are more price sensitive tip lower and every once in a while a waiter will experience an extremely generous tip. I'm not convinced that forbidding tips would increase net wages paid to servers. In terms of who is paying, restaurants will simply raise prices to account for higher wages. Th…

> it does allow for wealthy people to subsidize service and incentivizes good service

My anecdotal experience is the wealthier people are far more likely to tip less.

Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by oldpersonintx »

debacle wrote: post #62

The US is in desperate need of a labor movement. The Democrats dance with the UAW and are deeply tied to the AFT/NEA, but most labor unions in the US are getting the crap beat out of them and both parties turn a blind eye. It's good that more unions are speaking with/to Republicans, but what is really needed is a dedicated workers' party.

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Re: Is 'No tax on tips' a distraction from the fight to end sub-minimum wages?

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Post by alphabettsy »

djbusby wrote: post #65
princevegeta89 wrote: post #52

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If you ask me, tipping more than 0% for counter style ordering where there is no dedicated waiter involved makes no sense. Even worse are the coffee shops - if you think getting a coffee is just a few bucks and is relatively cheap, note that you get robbed when you end up tipping. $1 or more tip on a $5 coffee. And there is nothing special you get, the baristas are just doing their basic job. Also the looks you get w…

I tip at my local coffee (1-2/wk) because they are always nice, cool when I forget my wallet, get my "usual" w/o prompting, stickers for my kid, give me pro-tips on pastry baking, etc But if I went daily it'd be like $8/coffee. Espresso machine at home was the right answer. Pays for itself after only 200 coffees.

I tip at places like coffee shops and delis because the person taking my order is often also preparing it. If they’re just handing me a bag from the kitchen I don’t tip. Maybe this is silly.

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Post by imgabe »

zo1 wrote: post #67
imgabe wrote: post #46

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Don't tip standing up. If you're ordering at a counter, that's not a tipped job. What are you even tipping for anyway? You haven't gotten your food yet, they're not bringing anything to you, it makes no sense. If the conceit of tips is that they incentivize good service, then tipping before you receive the service is nonsensical.

> "Don't tip standing up. If you're ordering at a counter, that's not a tipped job. What are you even tipping for anyway?" And what am I getting when I'm sitting down? The restaurant should be paying this person to bring me my order just as much as they pay the cashier that rings up the order "standing up". The whole thing is ridiculous and we're just pandering to a very vocal and particularly nasty minority's opinio…

I agree, but tipping at sit-down restaurants is far more culturally ingrained. Tipping at counter-ordering restaurants is newer, and a gray area, there's still time to nip it in the bud before it becomes the same cultural expectation.

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Post by flerchin »

imgabe wrote: post #46
flerchin wrote: post #3

It needs to be clear if I'm shafting a sub-minimum wage worker, or declining an egregious tip-ask at the self-check counter.

Don't tip standing up. If you're ordering at a counter, that's not a tipped job. What are you even tipping for anyway? You haven't gotten your food yet, they're not bringing anything to you, it makes no sense. If the conceit of tips is that they incentivize good service, then tipping before you receive the service is nonsensical.

I guess I'm tipping so that I don't get "additions" to my order.

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Post by next_xibalba »

kitkat_new wrote: post #27

tips should be banned not only is it a shitty source of income, it also exposes you to sexism, racism and makes you tolerate shit things, because your income could be at risk standing up for yourself.

Have you ever worked a job where you get tipped? I have. I was both a bartender and a server and my income was far better than both 1) the alternatives for which I was qualified, and 2) what my income would have been on flat, higher wage. If you haven't worked a job like that, it might be worth talking to people who do or have.

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Post by imgabe »

flerchin wrote: post #77
imgabe wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't tip standing up. If you're ordering at a counter, that's not a tipped job. What are you even tipping for anyway? You haven't gotten your food yet, they're not bringing anything to you, it makes no sense. If the conceit of tips is that they incentivize good service, then tipping before you receive the service is nonsensical.

I guess I'm tipping so that I don't get "additions" to my order.

Usually the person at the register is not the one preparing the order in these situations, or if they are, then they're in your view the whole time. I don't think that's much of a concern.

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Post by beaglesss »

imgabe wrote: post #46
flerchin wrote: post #3

It needs to be clear if I'm shafting a sub-minimum wage worker, or declining an egregious tip-ask at the self-check counter.

Don't tip standing up. If you're ordering at a counter, that's not a tipped job. What are you even tipping for anyway? You haven't gotten your food yet, they're not bringing anything to you, it makes no sense. If the conceit of tips is that they incentivize good service, then tipping before you receive the service is nonsensical.

I will tip counter if they have a jar or the terminal asks, but if I do I treat them as tipped workers -- i.e. I will leave all my trash sitting at the table and wave them over when my food is ready.

Generally my rule is 10% tip for bussing and 10% for taking and bringing my order.

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