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Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by amy-petrik-214 »

falcolas wrote: post #20
imoverclocked wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is poorly specified but also pretty common with the obvious variations. Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up.

> Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up. Happens all the time to me. It's usually people in big trucks who get angy that a car dares to pass them. They'll go up over 80mph in a 45mph zone if you don't (or can't) finish the pass, or give up. And if you give up, they'll brake check you for your audacity. Having your controls start misbehaving while accelerating, or loud beeping (which is…

Here's a protip for dealing with impulsive / aggressive big truck drivers.

Big trucks go max 30 mph uphill. It's their achilles heel.

Cool your jets let them cuck you and be in front of you going slow all they want. When that big hill comes up, with that sweet passing lane, just pedal to the floor.

Now, if you get in front of them, or any car, and have the balls, and it's hilly country, you do this. Imagine they're tailgating you hard. You're going down a big hill. Put your gas pedal to the floor, downhill, You're max-accelerating. BUT .. ... LIGHTLY touch your brake pedal. Brake lights on. The tailgater will now back off because brake lights, as you rocket ahead at maximum acceleration. Aha! The tailgater catches onto the ploy and puts their pedal the floor as well. Now they too max-accelerate. Now you're at the bottom of the hill. Now you let go completely of the gas pedal, and the brake. You are now going uphill and you are slowing down quite aggressively, just from the uphill consuming momentum.... ... BUT your brake lights are now OFF! Thusly: you have maximally accelerated while braking, and maximally braked while accelerating. This will melt in anger the mind of any aggressive tailgator and they will either back off believing you're a total psycho, or shoot you (also believing you're a psycho). But it is a lesson in non-impulsive tactics & strategy versus impulsive driving. Patient strategy wins every time.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by dangus »

toast0 wrote: post #70
dangus wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused at your argument. You're talking about inclement conditions where you're supposed to be driving below the speed limit anyway. If everyone is at or below the speed limit, there is no situation where the reasonable maximum that exceeds the speed limit. Perhaps you could safely drive faster, but nobody actually has to drive faster. And when you're driving slower your stopping distance is less, your chance o…

> And when you're driving slower your stopping distance is less, your chance of death in an accident is less. It's basic physics and accident statistics. The faster we travel, the less time we spend traveling. The posted limit is not necessarily a reasonable maximum speed; that's my point in both directions.

The math does not work that way.

If you’re going 70mph you travel 16.6% further in the same amount of time.

But your average stopping distance increases 240 to 315 feet, 31% increase.

This also stresses your reaction time.

Risk of severe injury in pedestrian accidents goes like this:

16mph: 10%

23mph: 25%

31mph: 50%

So if you slow down in a pedestrian heavy area from 31mph to 23mph, you travel 30% slower but if you hit someone you’ve cut the chance of seriously injuring them in half.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/learning-to-drive/stoppin...

https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-seve...

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by taeric »

amy-petrik-214 wrote: post #69
taeric wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've known people to get a ticket in this exact scenario. Speeding is not allowed just to pass and will often times get you hit with a reckless driving charge, as well. Especially so if you go 10+ over the limit. Now, if you mean someone that went less than 5 over the limit, I'm back in agreement with you. But, that is within the realm of speed that probably won't get you pulled over even when not passing?

I think the whole thing is quite subjective and certainly in part the subjection would depend on that particular officer's mood on that particular time on that particular day at that particular place. The subjective assessment would be along the lines of differentiating between "driver slowly and casually accelerated to 10 mph over the limit, passed the car with a wide berth, and merged back with a large buffer" vers…

If you casually and slowly accelerated to 10 over, passed with a large berth, and then presumably dropped back to speed; this was not a rapidly executed pass and I question if you should have even done it?

You are right that they have discretion. So, yeah, it is subjective. People online get way too defensive of aggressive driving. Seemingly without realizing they are describing aggressive behavior. And if you are at all worried you will have to exceed the posted limit to successfully overtake another vehicle, make no mistake you are driving aggressively.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by polotics »

amy-petrik-214 wrote: post #71
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up. Happens all the time to me. It's usually people in big trucks who get angy that a car dares to pass them. They'll go up over 80mph in a 45mph zone if you don't (or can't) finish the pass, or give up. And if you give up, they'll brake check you for your audacity. Having your controls start misbehaving while accelerating, or loud beeping (which is…

Here's a protip for dealing with impulsive / aggressive big truck drivers. Big trucks go max 30 mph uphill. It's their achilles heel. Cool your jets let them cuck you and be in front of you going slow all they want. When that big hill comes up, with that sweet passing lane, just pedal to the floor. Now, if you get in front of them, or any car, and have the balls, and it's hilly country, you do this. Imagine they're t…

I think your tactic is too much of an escalation. Prefer Morse code on the brake light: it will make them think, wonder who or what you are, get less angry.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by polotics »

mrkpdl wrote: post #25
shermozle wrote: post #5

Drove a rented Kia in Central Australia recently that had this. It was fine: just stick below the speed limit. "Dangerous" to someone who continuously rides the speed limit perhaps.

I own one, unfortunately it is often wrong about what the speed limit is. So it’s not quite so straightforward.

The worst in my previous car was trucks bearing stickers indicating their max speed was 80 kph, and the car spotting this as the new limit and beeping me for leisurely passing at 120...

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by toast0 »

dangus wrote: post #72
toast0 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And when you're driving slower your stopping distance is less, your chance of death in an accident is less. It's basic physics and accident statistics. The faster we travel, the less time we spend traveling. The posted limit is not necessarily a reasonable maximum speed; that's my point in both directions.

The math does not work that way. If you’re going 70mph you travel 16.6% further in the same amount of time. But your average stopping distance increases 240 to 315 feet, 31% increase. This also stresses your reaction time. Risk of severe injury in pedestrian accidents goes like this: 16mph: 10% 23mph: 25% 31mph: 50% So if you slow down in a pedestrian heavy area from 31mph to 23mph, you travel 30% slower but if you h…

Is your position that motor vehicles should be limited to 16 mph?

I don't disagree that a reasonable and appropriate maximum speed in a pedestrian heavy area is lower than a reasonable and appropriate maximum speed on a restricted highway. But, I've seen pedestrian heavy areas with posted speed limits above a reasonable and appropriate speed, and restricted highways with posted speed limits below a reasonable and appropriate speed.

A system that annoys and distracts the driver and other occupants when the vehicle is traveling above the posted speed limit does not help safety when the posted limit is unreasonably high or unreasonably low. It could possibly help if the posted limit is reasonable and the posted limit is detected correctly. It doesn't seem reasonable to me to mandate a system like this when advisory detection systems have poor accuracy and posted limits are commonly set based on criteria other than the safety of road users.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

taeric wrote: post #53
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are in a place with very flat/straight roads, you can pass while seeing oncoming traffic. I don’t know how it is in Australia (who are known to have some of the flattest straightest roads on earth) but in Nebraska this is definitely feasible.

Fair that I can't say you should never do so. I'd stand by it as a general safe rule, though? If the road is that long and straight, I'd imagine it also has a rather high base speed limit already.

Definitely on a twisty and/or hilly road you don’t want to pass if you can see above or around. But there are lots of places in the country where you pass if you can see the oncoming cars are far enough away. And you are usually passing a truck or RV going 40 so it’s not that hard.

However, I’m so glad I live in an urban area now where such driving skills aren’t really needed much anymore. I’d defer to people living in rural areas that do this many times a day.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by brnt »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43
brnt wrote: post #38

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My car is from before this time but I've driven a few rentals with these features and it is absolutely terrible. Feels like you're driving a theme park ride, with all that flashing and beeping. What's also terrible is how they're constantly correcting the steering wheel because of invariably incorrect lane detection and one car would even happily overcorrect but then steer me right over the opposite line because it w…

You can drive without lane assist in most cases. Many models require you to explicitly turn it on each time you want to use it (like cruise control).

I'm in Europe, so no, it's mandatory that it is on and impossible to disable for new models.

Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous

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Post by reportgunner »

DominikPeters wrote: post #24

I'm generally strongly in favor of technical system for making speeding impossible -- for example I don't think it should be legal to sell cars that are able to go 100km/h on city streets. But this implementation seems designed to elicit backlash. Beeping is bad, and setting the tolerance at zero is not friendly given general driver behavior. I'd find it much more sensible to have "smooth" systems, such as a constant…

What about ambulances, police cars and firetrucks, would you prevent them from speeding as well ?
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