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New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous
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Re: New anti-speeding system coming to Australia is dangerous
#12We have many studies that show speeding is dangerous. Sounds like this system is very effective at discouraging speeding. Until I see studies showing more people are dying on road because of this system than because of speeding, sounds like it’s working as intended.
I frequently pass cars that have signs of an impaired driver. Usually the driver is texting, but the signs are usually failure to maintain lane, frequent (unnecessary) brake tapping, and sporadic acceleration.
Something that impedes my ability to pass unsafe drivers is unsafe.
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#13Once it goes beyond alerting, this is going to kill someone. A driver will be on a 2-lane road (1 lane each way), and attempt to pass the driver in front of them. A car will be coming the other way, and they won't be able to get in front in time. They'll try to slow and get back in, but the other cars will have filled the space. They'll have nowhere to go. Perhaps in this example the driver shouldn't have tried to pa…
This scenario is terribly specified. If you don't have clear time to pass a car in front of you without going an absurd amount over the posted speed limit, you almost certainly are putting yourself in danger already? I'll go further and say that people that take excess speeds in this scenario are already causing more accidents today, than a limiter would cause in the future. Edit: I should say I think it would be a b…
It is poorly specified but also pretty common with the obvious variations. Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up.
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#14I have one of the cars with this system and I believe it is dangerous, as the car is beeping for your attention, it causes regular split second distractions from your situational awareness. The main issue is that these aren’t the only beeps the car does, it has many other beeps, including one for when it notices the speed limit has changed. So you have to spend some mental power figuring out which beep you’re getting. It’s very distracting. Not to mention the fact that the system is wrong just as often as it is right. It often mistakes speed bump speeds for whole street speeds and beeps at you for not going 20 the full length of the street. It also has about 33% accuracy with school zones. Sometimes it knows it’s a school zone but mostly it will beep if you go over 40 in a school zone even at times when the limit is not 40. I do think it is a dangerous system as it aggressively draws your attention away from the road. Also for what it’s worth I’m actually on the slightly slow side of driving! I don’t push the limit, and this system is still an issue.
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#15People defending the system: are you presupposing it is perfect?
Because let me tell you:
- Start-stop when it first came out was not perfect, still isn't *
- Automatic headlights were and still are pretty abysmal
- Crash detection systems are horrendously bad
- My car thinks it knows the speed limits of the road I'm on but it's often wrong
I'd love to know what new modern cars you drive with perfect 'safety' systems (I've driven a lot of modern cars)
* I still find that start-stop incredibly annoying on automatic cars. At least on manuals you can keep the clutch pressed to pause it. Need to pull away quickly? Sorry, wait a second for the engine to turn back on...
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#16Once it goes beyond alerting, this is going to kill someone. A driver will be on a 2-lane road (1 lane each way), and attempt to pass the driver in front of them. A car will be coming the other way, and they won't be able to get in front in time. They'll try to slow and get back in, but the other cars will have filled the space. They'll have nowhere to go. Perhaps in this example the driver shouldn't have tried to pa…
Or when a car behind you tries to double dip on the overtake so you are forced to commit with them barreling up behind you.
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#17I feel as if the fundamental issue with speed limits is that they often feel arbitrary and infantilizing. If the roads are designed properly then you don't really need them except perhaps as a warning (e.g. the German autobahn isn't unlimited on sections that have tight corners).
My residential street in London is a 20mph limit. But it doesn't need a limit because it has speed bumps frequently enough that if you care about your suspension at all your max speed is average 15ish anyway.
Then there's the main roads leading into town which are also 20mph limits, but are double lane roads with fairly wide lanes. Some of them even have metal dividers.
It fundamentally makes no sense for the limit to be the same on both of those roads. One of them is a proper thoroughfare with a high design limit that was 30 until very recently (probably 40 or higher "back in the day"). The other is a neighbourhood that only really the residents and visitors have any business driving on.
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#19We have many studies that show speeding is dangerous. Sounds like this system is very effective at discouraging speeding. Until I see studies showing more people are dying on road because of this system than because of speeding, sounds like it’s working as intended.
I frequently pass cars that have signs of an impaired driver. Usually the driver is texting, but the signs are usually failure to maintain lane, frequent (unnecessary) brake tapping, and sporadic acceleration. Something that impedes my ability to pass unsafe drivers is unsafe.
If you're following close enough for them to be a danger to you then your driving is already unsafe.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
This scenario is terribly specified. If you don't have clear time to pass a car in front of you without going an absurd amount over the posted speed limit, you almost certainly are putting yourself in danger already? I'll go further and say that people that take excess speeds in this scenario are already causing more accidents today, than a limiter would cause in the future. Edit: I should say I think it would be a b…
It is poorly specified but also pretty common with the obvious variations. Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up.
> Eg: the person you are trying to pass, passive-aggressively speeds up.
Happens all the time to me. It's usually people in big trucks who get angy that a car dares to pass them. They'll go up over 80mph in a 45mph zone if you don't (or can't) finish the pass, or give up. And if you give up, they'll brake check you for your audacity.
Having your controls start misbehaving while accelerating, or loud beeping (which is currently reserved for "you're about to hit something" while driving) is asking for a driver to lose control.