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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Rinzler89 »

alephnerd wrote: post #68
Rinzler89 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, a couple of years ago it passed into the developed nations club.

It's HDI is still well below those of other "developed" countries (0.900 and above), and despite the GDP per Capita increase, average household (EDIT: individual, not household) income is still below $6,000/yr [0] so comparable to Mexico, Thailand, and Turkiye (edit: comparable to Mexico and Turkiye, not Thailand which is at $6,000 still) In 10-15 it will become a developed country but right now it isn't. I am a big…

Fine, how about Ursula v.d. Leyen? It's not a quota system, but politicians in developed EU countries too get groomed and put in high leadership positions due to their family connections. It's more rare here since the wealthy elite tend to fund political candidates to do their bidding and not get involved into politic personally but it's the same kind of buying influence just with extra steps.

>average household income is still below $6,000/yr

WAHT?! That smells like bullshit. Average NET monthly salary in Romania is around 1000 Euros[1] now meaning roughly 12000/year.

Did you check your link you posted? According to that average household income in Romania is 1334 Euros per month or 1600 Euros per year. Where the hell did you get 6000 USD/year? Did you ask a hallucinating LLM and didn't bother to fact check it? Romania is poor but is not that poor.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by geodel »

xeromal wrote: post #44
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Thank you for the information. I'm sorry for you and your family. Are public jobs so numerous that a lot of people survive off of them?

Nope. It won't be numerous but grab whatever of the tiny pie is the point. I am from neigboring country but situation is same for jobs. For 10 govt job, 10K people can show up and create riot like situation in little time.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

alephnerd wrote: post #54
hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

> Now the fascist gov has closed all internet I agree that Sheikh Hasina is extremely authoritarian and corrupt dictator but imo JeI are the actual fascists, and the BNP has absolutely been enabling them. That said, I agree with you that Hasina's authoritarianism needs to end. Ideally all these old fossils (Hasina, Zia, Rahman, etc) need to be purged and the actual youth (who are the majority of Bangladesh) get a cha…

Yeah I think "fascist" is too much for any actor not JeI but authoritarian is right. They've cut off Internet and telecom access after all, a dangerous game given how physically close they are to West Bengal.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

My friends are mostly Bdesh expats at this point. I wonder how dangerous it would be to setup a link from Bdesh into India. It would be a useful lifeline. Best wishes for the students and the people of Bdesh, but the stuff we were seeing as late as yesterday on Twitter was ugly. I hope those that can are using their mobiles to take proof.

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Post by avrionov »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #58
xeromal wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a first world country that gives out 40% of the public sector jobs to veterans or their children?

Sure. In Romania, a lot of public sector jobs (the easy, influential or well paying ones) are given out only via nepotism and political connections, usually to descendants and connections of the former communist party high-ups and former members of the military/intelligence services who now own and run lucrative businesses (monopolies for the state) and their kids are usually in charge of the business or in politics…

What you described is nepotism, which is not made into a law, but it happens because of a captured state.

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Post by Foofoobar12345 »

lostlogin wrote: post #53
Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy to encourage this when there’s nothing at stake. I personally have friends and family who are trapped and fear violent protestors as much as violent police. And when the protests die down in a few days or weeks, there will be even fewer jobs. And the attacks aren’t against the state but against the people as well.

Where is the line? Who people support and who a company supports all becomes relevant in a civil war. Quite how this gets resolved is beyond me - the west has been quite happy to enjoy products from sweat shops, so is probably complicit.

It’s tanks vs sticks, the govt will prevail. In a few days we’ll all forget about this.

That said, I personally believe the future of the country lies in private enterprise - not govt jobs. People in BD want these govt jobs for job security. They need to rise above that fear.

I hope more will choose the path of entrepreneurship - whether by starting an AI company or a street-side teashop - there’s demand for both.

I’ve interacted with the software engineers at my friend’s company. The country has a lot of talented coders. I consider myself a veteran programmer - I’ve cracked all interviews thus far in the valley, but I get out-coded by these young chaps who’ve not had access to electricity till they were 15 (yes, there are still villages without power).

Truly inspiring stuff. Not if only we can all stop killing each other, the future will be bright :)

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Post by sph »

xyst wrote: post #35

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Real talk: blame social media algorithms keeping us into our echo chambers. They are unable to show you a mixed and impartial slice of the world, but if you one day click on topic X, they'll keep recommending related topics until all you see is topic X. All you see is people talking about topic X, they become viral and spread even further.

We, through naivety and greed, made the internet this way. It's not gonna get better any time soon, now that politics, social media and news keep feeding from themselves in a spiral of polarisation.

I am not familiar with that part of the world, but the relative neighbour of Bangladesh, Myanmar, has seen massive genocide and devastation thanks to hate campaigns that spread like wildfire thanks to Facebook a few years ago, while the fat cats in Silicon Valley in their ivory towers were totally oblivious first, and incapable later of dealing with it, while tens of thousand died and hundred of thousands fled as refugees.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide

https://youtu.be/K8B0bWO9u3M?si=x2WYJ_kGoipr6WWF

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by pmarreck »

david_shi wrote: post #4
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Chhatra_League The ruling party seems to be allied with a student paramilitary to help act as their enforcers. "Chhatra League distributes dormitory seats at Chittagong University instead of authorities. Only those who join Chhatra League after being enrolled, get the chance to stay in the residential halls."

> The general secretary of Bangladesh Chhatra League Jahangirnagar University unit, Jasimuddin Manik and his followers celebrated the rape of 100th girls including at least 20 students of the university in 1998.

Is it poverty that brings out the worst in people? Or something else?

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