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Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by tadfisher »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #57
astral303 wrote: post #37

Maps with turn-by-turn navigation (long overdue) and transit APIs sound very promising. Having portable maps is one of the key strengths of a smartphone and this kind of lower-level integration now kicks it up a notch. He mentioned "biking and hiking" for the transit apps: that's exciting! Also, turn-by-turn navigation has this "overview" mode--tap it and you exit the forced-point-of-view navigation and get to pan ar…

Sort of FYI, Google's original effort at providing their own database for map information was that Navtec would not license them the right to use map data for turn-by-turn navigation. It was really quite amazing to see all of the constraints that were put on map data (it was so much easier for Trimble, the original company, to exploit their map database than to try to compete in the gadget space). I don't doubt that…

Oh, I can handle them just fine. Needed a locking diff, a 2" lift, and some oversized mud tires, but just fine.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by berntb »

tadfisher wrote: post #71
ChuckMcM wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of FYI, Google's original effort at providing their own database for map information was that Navtec would not license them the right to use map data for turn-by-turn navigation. It was really quite amazing to see all of the constraints that were put on map data (it was so much easier for Trimble, the original company, to exploit their map database than to try to compete in the gadget space). I don't doubt that…

Oh, I can handle them just fine. Needed a locking diff, a 2" lift, and some oversized mud tires, but just fine.

If this is a strategy you guys have to keep away competition for jobs in Portland, it is working. :-)

(Not that I have a green card anyway.)

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by stevenp »

rb2k_ wrote: post #56
timdorr wrote: post #20

Interesting that the new Maps makes no mention of public transit support. Is that gone completely now? It looks like your app can register as a "router" to support different types of navigation routing, but it would suck if that is no longer built in.

At least the beta supposedly just points you at the app store for public transport in Boston. (haven't tried this myself, asked a friend of mine who installed the beta)

Right now transit directions are dead in the water since nothing in the App Store supports the new API yet.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by gnaffle »

simonh wrote: post #27
wavephorm wrote: post #2

iOS 6 is not compatible with: iPad 1 Damnit, did I just have an aneurism? Seriously, the iPad 1 isn't old (or doesn't feel old to me), and it came out around the same time as the iPod touch 4th generation, which is supported. I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing.

Unlike all those 2010 Android devices that are all running ICS... er ... So far the main reason Apple has not supported new OS updates on old hardware is due to hardware requirements, usually memory. I agree it seems odd as the 4th gen touch is basically the same spec as the iPad 1, but in general their record in this area is unmatched by any of their competition. Nobody else even comes close.

I know, but that's really no excuse. I don't have a problem with Apple dropping support for old hardware, but this feels a little forced on a device that's only two years old.

Of course, forced obsolescence is a fact of life with commercial, proprietary products, and of course you're not entitled to software updates apart from bugfixes.

But it's very different world compared to the PC world where companies like Microsoft and other OS vendors have an incentive to stretch compatibility as far back as possible.

As more and more developers drop support for iOS 5, an otherwise perfectly working device becomes less and less valuable, which is a shame. Of course an option is still to jailbreak it.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by gnaffle »

ryannielsen wrote: post #26
wavephorm wrote: post #2

iOS 6 is not compatible with: iPad 1 Damnit, did I just have an aneurism? Seriously, the iPad 1 isn't old (or doesn't feel old to me), and it came out around the same time as the iPod touch 4th generation, which is supported. I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing.

I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing. Just because iPad 1 can't run iOS 6 doesn't mean it's suddenly "trash". Also, the first iPad is woefully underpowered – thanks to the display, it's quite memory and graphics constrained. It's entirely possible Apple wasn't willing get new iOS features working well on that hardware, especially considering iPad 1's install base is a…

Lots of iOS 6 features doesn't require more processing power. They could have easily turned off the features that did, just like they did with iOS 5 on the iPhone 3G / 3GS.

But they don't have an incentive to do that, and it would mean more work for them supporting a shrinking user base.

However, customer loyalty may have been increased quite a bit by providing updates for more than 2 years. I'd have much less of a problem with Apple dropping iOS 7 support on the iPad 1, for instance.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by rustynails »

ryannielsen wrote: post #59
wavephorm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrade the software either. Huh? Citation needed. Apple didn't suddenly cut off App Store updates to iPad 1. Developers are free to support (or not support) iOS 5, just as they were with other iOS updates. Furthermore, are you remotely surprised by this?…

I suggest we add Apple/Android criticisms to Godwyn's law. whenever anything negative is said about Apple, someone inevitably turns it into an Android bash instead. The same applies in reverse. In this instance, the grandparent was spreading FUD about Apple, so the usual Apple/Android digs have come out.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by alanh »

stevenp wrote: post #73
rb2k_ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the beta supposedly just points you at the app store for public transport in Boston. (haven't tried this myself, asked a friend of mine who installed the beta)

Right now transit directions are dead in the water since nothing in the App Store supports the new API yet.

"Dead in the water" means no progress will be made.

http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/dead+in+the+wat...

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by gav »

I was interested to see "The Transamerica Pyramid Building is a registered service mark of Transamerica Corporation" at the bottom of the page.

I can't see how using a photograph of SF requires this disclaimer.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by wmf »

ryannielsen wrote: post #59
wavephorm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrade the software either. Huh? Citation needed. Apple didn't suddenly cut off App Store updates to iPad 1. Developers are free to support (or not support) iOS 5, just as they were with other iOS updates. Furthermore, are you remotely surprised by this?…

Apple doesn't allow third parties to upgrade iOS's built-in apps. If you're running Windows XP you can replace IE6 with a modern Firefox, but if you're running an iPad 1 it's WebKit version whatever for the rest of time. (The only "browsers" allowed by Apple are basically thin shells around the built-in WebKit.)

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by alanh »

mikeash wrote: post #67
wavephorm wrote: post #2

iOS 6 is not compatible with: iPad 1 Damnit, did I just have an aneurism? Seriously, the iPad 1 isn't old (or doesn't feel old to me), and it came out around the same time as the iPod touch 4th generation, which is supported. I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing.

You automatically assume hardware is trash when it doesn't support the latest OS but still works just fine with the older version, and you're blaming Apple for a throw-away culture? I think you need to look in a mirror....

A significant number of apps require the latest version of the OS. The utility really does drop off if you are a major OS version or two behind. Trash? Maybe not, but definitely worth much, much less. I agree that 2.5 years is far too soon to stop updating the iPad’s OS.
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