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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by vasco »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67
2024throwaway wrote: post #45

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https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/697/794/HD-wallpaper-graffit... You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful.

> You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful Right. That’s the point. In public spaces, the public has chosen what it believes to be beautiful. Illegal graffiti is one person forcing their aesthetics on everyone. Plenty of cities have surfaces that are open to being grafitti’d. In those cases, the artists bothered to think about others before taking unilateral action.

Have you chosen what you think is beautiful for your city? Most city decorations are decided by direct action from the council without consultation from the public. Sometimes involving as little as one or two people.

For private property I agree with you, the owners have it how they want to have it.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vasco wrote: post #71
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful Right. That’s the point. In public spaces, the public has chosen what it believes to be beautiful. Illegal graffiti is one person forcing their aesthetics on everyone. Plenty of cities have surfaces that are open to being grafitti’d. In those cases, the artists bothered to think about others before taking unilateral action.

Have you chosen what you think is beautiful for your city? Most city decorations are decided by direct action from the council without consultation from the public. Sometimes involving as little as one or two people. For private property I agree with you, the owners have it how they want to have it.

> Have you chosen what you think is beautiful? Most city decorations are decided by direct action from the council without consultation from the public.

When it’s mattered, I’ve showed up. Or signed petitions saying something is ugly and would benefit from being replaced by just about anything else.

Plenty of communities embrace their mural and graffiti culture. Plenty don’t. Imagine if someone who doesn’t like murals went around whitewashing painted walls.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by bobthepanda »

mbforbes wrote: post #39

A semi-related surprising fact I only learned recently is that the ultra-long nose of Japanese bullet trains is not for aerodynamics, but to reduce noise. Specifically, "tunnel boom." Random source: https://www.jrpass.com/blog/why-shinkansen-bullet-trains-no-...

this is only a problem in japan because the shinkansen is the oldest high speed network in existence.

new train tunnels built in Europe are wider and flare out at the end so that there isn't a tunnel boom.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by 2024throwaway »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67
2024throwaway wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/697/794/HD-wallpaper-graffit... You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful.

> You don't get to tell me what I find beautiful Right. That’s the point. In public spaces, the public has chosen what it believes to be beautiful. Illegal graffiti is one person forcing their aesthetics on everyone. Plenty of cities have surfaces that are open to being grafitti’d. In those cases, the artists bothered to think about others before taking unilateral action.

My city pays graffiti artists to do their thing, but go off.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by addandsubtract »

croemer wrote: post #49

Terrible press release. The first picture shows an _intransparent_ barrier. Is that a before after picture? And what is "meta technology"?

Seems to be a before picture. There's an "after" picture further down the page. Meta technology maybe because it's not actual train related tech, but meta tech related to trains.

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Post by yodsanklai »

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

My city is filled with horrible graffitis. Some types of ugly signatures, even on historical buildings. It takes only a few weeks after walls are cleaned up to see new graffitis reappearing. It's really sad.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by tsimionescu »

complaintdept wrote: post #69
sircastor wrote: post #56

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But that cost is not paid by the person creating the graffiti. The owner has a cost forced on them. The aesthetic argument here is trying to validate a violent act. A lot of graffiti is beautiful, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay.

What violent act?

Modifying someone else's property, or public property, without consent.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by rjh29 »

vasco wrote: post #64
rjh29 wrote: post #62

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Broken window theory. Once a few things have graffiti, it will quickly proliferate including stuff that isn't exactly aesthetic.

Any cursory googling will yield several papers debunking the broken window theory for you.

Sorry, I used the term incorrectly. I'm not suggesting that graffiti increases crime, only that the presence of graffiti encourages more graffiti.

I live in Japan which is usually free of litter, put a few empty beer cans on the floor and come back 24 hours after and you will have a trash pile. I don't need a paper to tell me that.

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Post by Symbiote »

TillE wrote: post #70
ldjb wrote: post #48

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We're talking about public property here. Many authorities have a 'no tolerance' approach to graffiti. Even if it looks nice, it will be removed. There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. If graffiti artists find that their work won't last long, they may be discouraged from doing it in the first place. Aesthetics doesn't really come into it.

I dunno about the entirety of Germany, but I don't think I've ever seen graffiti removed in Berlin, and there's a ton of it. It's fine, nobody cares.

Graffiti on trains in Berlin is very quickly removed.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by Symbiote »

vasco wrote: post #50
ponector wrote: post #41

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Graffiti makes world more beautiful the same way as ads do. It is a vandalism and you shouldn't normalize it.

I've normalized it all my life and will keep doing it, art should be around us and bring interestingness to public spaces. People like you would rather walk around in the equivalent of a hospital 24/7 and you currently have the law on your side but it doesn't mean you're right.

The door of my apartment building is graffitied every couple of months, and without any respect whatsoever your community's "art" can piss off.
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