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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by gsuuon »

Etheryte wrote: post #19
DeathArrow wrote: post #9

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Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I'd actually really love the ability to follow just the 'Show HN's of a particular user, for those who consistently post interesting projects. It would at least lessen the FOMO causing me to check HN a little too often.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by instagraham »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

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As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

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To riff a bit on Pirsig, those who recognise Quality seem to do a good job of finding and curating it in the wild

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by wand3r »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

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As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

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I dislike censorship but I dont mind* moderation. Twitter is impossible to use because you have 0 buy in and common ground. I have no problem with a subreddit that wants to show beheading videos that moderates non-beheading videos from being posted. This is how I believe the town square should work. There is room for everyone to have a space, but it's NOT the SAME space.

Moderation of bots and some content makes sites useable as long as everyone agrees what is OK and what is not OK. Thats how HN functions

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swayvil »

pjc50 wrote: post #64
swayvil wrote: post #58

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> (Let's not fool ourselves. We have moderators and downvotes, not because they work well, but because it's a convenient lesser evil) Well, indeed. This is just anarchism vs. policing but for text. It gets re-litigated over and over again; different places move the boundary to different places. But very few dare to have no moderators or no police, and those that do are usually fairly immediate disasters. I'm sure you…

The most palatable solution (historically speaking) is democracy. Yes I'm being dictated to but at least we're all doing it to ourselves.

A modern technologically enhanced refinement of that is the best that I can think of.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by IncreasePosts »

malfist wrote: post #54
DeathArrow wrote: post #8

>Unlike most platforms today, Jike does not use in-app ads to lure users or algorithms to push content, but encourages active engagement through carefully curated topics and in-depth discussions across the app. That's something I would like to take a part in. Unfortunately I don't know Mandarin.

These things are always true while they're trying to gain their foot in the door. First comes ad free, then comes users, then comes ads

Maybe companies will start selling the data to AI training operations, and won't need to resort to ads to keep free services running.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by DenisM »

nirui wrote: post #57
DeathArrow wrote: post #9

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Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

> Hard to follow someone, hard to chat Maybe that's one reason why you have such great quality time here. I think the problem about social medias is that people have flaws, and social medias puts a great focus on individual people, exposing their good side as well as flawed side. But, most people are not well-trained to handle such level of influence (including being influenced as well as to influence the others), an…

Yes, but… there were a half-dozen people here whose comments I alway enjoyed for the deep and nuanced perspective. I haven’t seen them in a few years now, sadly.

Maybe some light-touch people focus would be a nice compromise. Like, highlight the discussion where my favorite people participate? That could avoid the bandwagon effect. I dunno, maybe not.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by DenisM »

nicolas_t wrote: post #67
DeathArrow wrote: post #9

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Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

I wish there was a notification for replies to comments I made. I feel that some conversations could be continued if such a feature existed.

It kinda went the other way - HN has a calming feature that prevents you from quickly replying to a comment on your comment. That was clearly on purpose.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by DenisM »

DeathArrow wrote: post #13
all2 wrote: post #5

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Buy a clone of dang. Or several.

Get OpenDang from Github and run it locally.

Well, you jest, but what if we could create an LLM that follows dang behavior? He’s pretty low-touch on substance and mostly moderates style. An LLM should be able to copy that. If I didn’t have to work for a living I might pursue that, that would be a huge benefit to humanity.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by trueismywork »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #66
swayvil wrote: post #58

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>I know that this is an uncommon view. I don't think this is correct - this is an extremely common view, in several senses of the word. It's especially popular among people who have never tried to use an unmoderated forum with more than a few members, and the sort of people who make moderation a necessity in the first place. >because it's a convenient lesser evil This is the true in the sense that pretty much all of…

As well all know thebcrration of universe is considered to be a mistake by most.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by nextaccountic »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

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As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

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> A solution I saw in the wild is at http://reddit.com/r/generative

This subreddit is actually moderated. And it contains a quite heavy handed rule:

> To avoid disappointment, do not post AI-generated work here.

Which is kinda absurd if you realize the direction generative art is going. (in 50 years, do you think the discussion between generative art with code vs generative art with AI will make sense?)

But, such a rule helps maintain the space on-topic and avoid re-litigating the AI discussion every time someone posts an AI-generated picture.

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