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Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by alberth »

caseyf7 wrote: post #67
zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.

That doesn’t appear to be the case any more.

https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?t=17580

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

FredPret wrote: post #54
mikeyouse wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty silly comment given the "private" options that could have been at gbps speed for a decade+ are still at DSL and Cable speeds. Blind faith in 'the market' to solve these things after it's failed to do so seems odd.

The market works when there's at least 4-5 competitors. That's enough to make monopolistic backroom deals impractical.

That is what driving me nuts about these threads.

These aren’t free markets. They’re government regulated into being something else entirely, then people stomp their feet and complain about capitalism.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

ncallaway wrote: post #59
nox101 wrote: post #34

I know people disagree with me about this. I certainly hate it that governments gave local monopolies to companies like Comcast That said, I'm pretty confident municipal internet is bad thing in the long run (compared to actually competitive markets, not local monopolies) Problems: (1) Unlike say, water, sewage, power - internet tech changes 10gig might seem fast today. In 15 years it will seem slow. Will the governm…

> (2) Government run internet is bound to eventually be lobbied to be safe This would be a clear cut first amendment violation. These kinds of things would be less likely to be restricted by a government ISP than a private party ISP.

You mean a 1A violation like the government pressuring media companies to push their narratives?

Because we have seen this year no one seems to care enough.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by Phiwise_ »

This is such a misleadingly narrow headline. Utopia's a decade old and has been a mess from the business side pretty much the entire time. Even Google fiber in Provo's somehow giving better rollout service than they are. I was excited when it was announced as a teen but it's been a long road of failing to live up to expectations for all but a tiny fraction of our residents in the rich parts of our cities. And it's supposed to be a public-good program!

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

fragmede wrote: post #60
lokar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This came up at lot at google when they launched fiber. CA regulation and environmental laws make it to easy for the monopolies to stop or slow you down. If you look at how they pick cities the main criteria is friendly regulations like “one touch make ready” requirements.

all the technology in the world ain't gonna fix our social issues.

Oh, I think we’ve seen it make the issues a lot worse.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by tombert »

Ugh, it's a little annoying that I cannot get faster than 2 gigabit internet in NYC, and it cost me like $120/month. 2 gigabit is more than fast enough for pretty much anything I do, especially since most of the stuff in my house is on WiFi anyway, but I did get my house completely wired for 10 gigabits about a year ago to try and future-proof everything.

It's frustrating that NYC is a super expensive place to live, and it's behind the times with internet speeds.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by rolobio »

theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #15

Comcast lobbied so hard to get our local mileage for fiber expansion voted down. When it passed, they suddenly decided they’re going to spend 6 figures worth of money to expand their own fiber backdown (they’re not even to the house). Its amazing when corporations will spend more money fighting something than actually implementing said thing.

I’ve had fiber at my house from day one provided by a local ISP. Comcast came in and buried their own fiber lines (years later) for all the houses in my neighborhood. Soon after, my ISP bumped my speed and lowered my monthly bill.

We desperately need more competition. It’s the only thing that actually lowers prices.

Also, I will happily pay higher prices to never pay for Comcast again. So they won’t see a penny from me.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by ssl-3 »

bee_rider wrote: post #69
jwells89 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US it’s also not uncommon for connections to be not only asymmetrical, but downright lopsided. Comcast sells “gigabit” in my area that’s 1.2Gbps down but only like 20Mbps up which is just silly. Thankfully a competitor offers true gigabit for about the same price, and so that’s what I subscribe to.

That is probably not a terrible configuration for a lot of users. It is disappointing that the internet didn’t remain a network of mostly peers where everyone might host something. But, realistically, lots of people approximately just use their bandwidth to stream video, right?

Netflix themselves say that 15Mbps is enough for 4k.

1.2Gbps downstream is enough for >50 such 4k video streams without saturation -- something that will probably never happen in any household, even in Grandma's house on Christmas Eve with a bunch of grandkids around.

Meanwhile, I've had single-player games of Factorio of medium complexity that would saturate 20Mbps upstream.

Nobody needs a connection that is so heavily lopsided as 1.2Gbps/20Mbps is except for the marketing department, and the DOCSIS sunk-cost-fallacy department.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

tombert wrote: post #76

Ugh, it's a little annoying that I cannot get faster than 2 gigabit internet in NYC, and it cost me like $120/month. 2 gigabit is more than fast enough for pretty much anything I do, especially since most of the stuff in my house is on WiFi anyway, but I did get my house completely wired for 10 gigabits about a year ago to try and future-proof everything. It's frustrating that NYC is a super expensive place to live,…

Worst internet I ever had was at a Cupertino apartment…in 2013. Walked a mile to the office where we had blazing fiber. Manager said a lot of the valley outside of company offices was way behind cause of the cost of installation. Hope it’s improved.
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