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Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#72The user that created that video is known to have preference for Tesla (based on Twitter posts and their YouTube channel is all about Tesla), the video may be biased. The Consumer Reports comparison at the beginning of the video is Mercedes "Driver Assistance" vs Tesla "Autopilot". These are technologies for lane assistance, speed limit assistance, etc. "Advanced cruise control" is a better term for these. This video…
>The user that created that video is known to have preference for Tesla (based on Twitter posts and their YouTube is all about Tesla), the video may be biased.
You are really understating this. This account is one of the few accounts that Elon directly responds to on a regular basis on X.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data is just cars driving around. Mercedes Cars have cameras too. Compute power is just money, that is about the thinnest advantage you can have.
Not everyone has billions of dollars lying around. SpaceX couldn’t have beaten ULA if that was the case. The truth is no one has the physical AI algorithm yet. Having cars equipped with cameras, big GPUs connected to can bus is the easy part. Tesla has some advantage since they are spending the most on automation compared to other car makers. However compared to Waymo, Tesla is quite behind. Waymo has done a million…
>Not everyone has billions of dollars lying around.
Mercedes can get them. So can any major car maker. Making cars is extremely capital intensive.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#74To quote one of the commenters: > 2. They were using an non-geofenced level 2 highway adaptive cruise system for Mercedes, NOT the level 3 system which is only available in Germany. The level 2 system was never designed for city streets and have limitations on sharp turns, if this would an honest video they would compare autopilot vs drive pilot on the highway, which they won't do because drive pilot is better.
I'm sorry, how come the level 3 system is only available in Germany and yet Mercedes gets to claim it as the first certified level 3 system available in US market? https://media.mbusa.com/releases/automated-driving-revolutio...
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#75To quote one of the commenters: > 2. They were using an non-geofenced level 2 highway adaptive cruise system for Mercedes, NOT the level 3 system which is only available in Germany. The level 2 system was never designed for city streets and have limitations on sharp turns, if this would an honest video they would compare autopilot vs drive pilot on the highway, which they won't do because drive pilot is better.
I'm sorry, how come the level 3 system is only available in Germany and yet Mercedes gets to claim it as the first certified level 3 system available in US market? https://media.mbusa.com/releases/automated-driving-revolutio...
>> The production-ready version of DRIVE PILOT will make its on-road debut in California and Nevada in late 2023 with a limited fleet of Level 3 equipped EQS Sedans
>> Mercedes-Benz plans for further customer deliveries of DRIVE PILOT equipped MY2024 EQS Sedan and S-Class models in early 2024 through participating authorized Mercedes-Benz dealers in California and Nevada
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get this perspective. Somehow humans drive with visual input
The goal is to be better than, not equivalent to, humans-- right? I work on a synthetic aperture radar system that is high-resolution enough to "see" the painted stripes on roads through fog and a thin layer of snow. It's not for automotive use and would increase the price of every car by several hundred thousand dollars but a fusion of multi-spectrum sensors should be the direction we are headed-- not a minimally-vi…
I'd be nervous of automobiles falling into the US housing trap.
In other words, failing to realize that raising minimum requirements (and therefore prices) makes it unaffordable for an increasing number of people.
Human-parity (in terms of accident rate, not failure mode) seems a reasonable minimum bar.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data is just cars driving around. Mercedes Cars have cameras too. Compute power is just money, that is about the thinnest advantage you can have.
Not everyone has billions of dollars lying around. SpaceX couldn’t have beaten ULA if that was the case. The truth is no one has the physical AI algorithm yet. Having cars equipped with cameras, big GPUs connected to can bus is the easy part. Tesla has some advantage since they are spending the most on automation compared to other car makers. However compared to Waymo, Tesla is quite behind. Waymo has done a million…
I see Teslas daily I’ve never even seen a Waymo.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data is just cars driving around. Mercedes Cars have cameras too. Compute power is just money, that is about the thinnest advantage you can have.
Not everyone has billions of dollars lying around. SpaceX couldn’t have beaten ULA if that was the case. The truth is no one has the physical AI algorithm yet. Having cars equipped with cameras, big GPUs connected to can bus is the easy part. Tesla has some advantage since they are spending the most on automation compared to other car makers. However compared to Waymo, Tesla is quite behind. Waymo has done a million…
>Not everyone has billions of dollars lying around. SpaceX couldn’t have beaten ULA if that was the case.
But SpaceX didn't have infinite amounts of capital during the years it developed Falcon 9 and Dragon. Until Tesla's market cap blew up during the COVID-19 era, Elon Musk had a "mere" few tens of billions of dollars. ULA's pockets were and are gigantic, too.
In any case, infinite capital guarantees absolutely nothing. Jeff Bezos has been among the world's wealthiest men for far, far longer than Musk's entry into that group. Let me paraphrase an excellent comment I saw on Reddit, in response to one of the usual lies about how the only reason SpaceX is a decade ahead of the rest of the world is that it got zillions in subsidies from the US government:
>If large amounts of funding is the only thing required to succeed, Blue Origin would now have a nuclear-powered spacecraft orbiting Pluto.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get this perspective. Somehow humans drive with visual input
Humans are terrible drivers, and even the human brain's reasoning capability is still light years ahead of anything Tesla is capable of shipping. The advantage of machines is not that they have better brains than humans, but that they have better senses than humans, which is an advantage that goes out the window when you obstinately refuse to use better sensors than merely cameras "because that's what humans use".
That hasn't been my experience in a self driving Tesla. Against a setting sun in stop and go traffic on the freeway it was far better able to sense the road than a human alone and I think it has a lot of redundancy as well as views into all directions.
Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
The goal is to be better than, not equivalent to, humans-- right? I work on a synthetic aperture radar system that is high-resolution enough to "see" the painted stripes on roads through fog and a thin layer of snow. It's not for automotive use and would increase the price of every car by several hundred thousand dollars but a fusion of multi-spectrum sensors should be the direction we are headed-- not a minimally-vi…
I'd be nervous of automobiles falling into the US housing trap. In other words, failing to realize that raising minimum requirements (and therefore prices) makes it unaffordable for an increasing number of people. Human-parity (in terms of accident rate, not failure mode) seems a reasonable minimum bar.
New automobiles are available for the same price they’ve always been.
For proof I offer the price of the 1969 Volkswagen Beetle, the least expensive new car for sale in the US market for almost its entire sales history: $1800. That’s for one with zero options. A rolling chassis with four seats and a motor.
That’s $16k today. Coincidentally the same price of the Nissan Versa or Mitsubishi Mirage: with backup camera, air conditioning, and airbags.
People don’t WANT the cheap cars, though.
I know the average price of a new car has exploded.
That is a conscious choice by the consumer.
When production of autonomous tech scales it won’t increase costs as much as people assume.