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The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by chii »

gnulinux wrote: post #31
throwawayk7h wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can explain the difference, maybe you can help me make sense of postmodern philosophy.

This has nothing to do with postmodern philosophy. There is a difference between the reality, and a human's conceptualization of that reality. In fact, we can abstract further and say that there is a difference between X and the concept of X. Now, the GP comment is saying that the model of X (which is how a human being conceptualizes X) is different than X. So, when you look at nature as it is, there are no electrons…

> the concept of electron.

but this claims that the concept-of-electron as a discrete entity which the what-we-call-electron only approximates at best.

But because concept-of-electron is unscientific (aka, it is not produced from a falsifiable hypothesis), you can claim anything from it, including that it exists and supercedes the what-we-call-electron.

aka, it's akin to claiming god.

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by fragmede »

egypturnash wrote: post #29

A succinct explanation of this theory and some of its consequences can be found here: https://ia600903.us.archive.org/24/items/dr_watchstop_advent... Switch the PDF display to single-page and find page 33.

(which is page 35 of the PDF)

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by deely3 »

nilkn wrote: post #54
kazinator wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's about as useful as "there is only one complex plane no matter how many regions and functions we work with".

No, it’s a legitimate answer to why all electrons have the same properties. This is the real answer according to our best modern theories of particle physics. It explains why all elementary particles appear to have fixed sets of properties.

If its possible, can you explain please why electron only? What about other particles?

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by imtringued »

Kranar wrote: post #36
gnulinux wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with postmodern philosophy. There is a difference between the reality, and a human's conceptualization of that reality. In fact, we can abstract further and say that there is a difference between X and the concept of X. Now, the GP comment is saying that the model of X (which is how a human being conceptualizes X) is different than X. So, when you look at nature as it is, there are no electrons…

Fascinating, you went from saying this has nothing to do with postmodern philosophy to describing constructive postmodern philosophy. I love it!

How is this philosophy? Any information based system will have information about a real thing it has observed.

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

deely3 wrote: post #75
nilkn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s a legitimate answer to why all electrons have the same properties. This is the real answer according to our best modern theories of particle physics. It explains why all elementary particles appear to have fixed sets of properties.

If its possible, can you explain please why electron only? What about other particles?

All particles are like that.

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Kranar wrote: post #36
gnulinux wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with postmodern philosophy. There is a difference between the reality, and a human's conceptualization of that reality. In fact, we can abstract further and say that there is a difference between X and the concept of X. Now, the GP comment is saying that the model of X (which is how a human being conceptualizes X) is different than X. So, when you look at nature as it is, there are no electrons…

Fascinating, you went from saying this has nothing to do with postmodern philosophy to describing constructive postmodern philosophy. I love it!

Constructive postmodernism would propose a competing constructive model. At the very least doubt should have justification, otherwise it's naive agnosticism.

Re: The Theory That There Is Only One Electron in the Universe

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Byamarro wrote: post #38
webwielder2 wrote: post #7

Are there really electrons? Or does observable phenomena simply fit with the theory of electrons?

Electron is something humans created to describe reality in a way that's comprehensible to us and at the same time we can observe via experiments that it is an accurate descriptions in a way that we can measure. Asking whether electrons are something else that conceptualization doesn't make much sense.

If there's a gap between theory and reality, then there's a more accurate theory. If you know this more accurate theory, you're going to have specific arguments for it.
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