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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by addandsubtract »

microtonal wrote: post #45
pjmlp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scale of 30% of world's mobile phone versus Google's 70% Android market share, or the 10% of desktop/laptop market versus 72% from Windows?

But currently only a small subset of Android devices come with all of Google’s current phone AI features out of the box, Pixel 8 Pro and the Samsung S24 lineup. You can install the Gemini app on other phones, but last time I checked the install counts, it’s only a small percentage of the Android user base. (I’d also be surprised if a large population would be willing to pay the $20 monthly Google One tier to use Gemi…

I can't even use text summarization on my Pixel 8 Pro.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

ezst wrote: post #68
seydor wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that s my point - they have the most expertise on compensating authors when/if needed

Mine being that large language and diffusion models are trained on "whatever the heck is there, available for scraping on the broad internet, indiscriminately". I don't think Apple's money or it being in bed with the Majors solves either side of "acknowledging authorship when none is provided/known", "obtaining formal consent for commercial use" or "fairly compensating a creators base" when it is larger than all huma…

I agree that this is very different from traditional content agreements. Apple is a very conservative company. They may not want to be trailblazers when it comes to working out how compensation of creators is going to work in an AI context.

What appears to be happening right now is that Google, OpenAI, et.al. are negotiating individual agreements with large publishers if and when threatened with legal action.

I'm not sure this will be sufficient. There will be calls to introduce some sort of AI tax or other forms of collective compensation schemes to funnel money to independent creators, small businesses, museums, etc.

This is all very much up in the air and it will take many years if not decades to settle.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by because_789 »

thiht wrote: post #72
ildjarn wrote: post #18

Part of the appeal of an iGizmo is not sending so much data to Google. I really doubt this is happening, and if it is, Apple will be hosting the models.

> iGizmo Not familiar with the term, what does it mean?

I believe they just mean any random Apple device (iPhone, iPad, iMac, etc)

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by throwaway290 »

ezst wrote: post #66
throwaway290 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wireshark an igizmo and a droid and see the difference for yourself :)

It shows encrypted streams that neither you or I can decipher. By default, either will spend its day scraping your surroundings (wifi and bluetooth) and report it back home, unless you opt-out (which both allow). Both are equally evil in my book.

MITM it, it's your phone that you physically control.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by danielscrubs »

gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

Everyone wants/wanted Google as a search engine because it was the best. No users thinks Gemini is the best. In fact it is being mocked by media right now.

Android is a direct competitor still.

So yes, very surprising.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by dosethree »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

How many users do they have though?

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by rezonant »

gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

While not immediately, ultimately Android was very explicitly a hedge against Apple, not Microsoft. Seems this became clear at Google near instantly after the iPhone announcement. Google actively shifted it's Android development toward touch screens directly as a result of the iPhone, for instance. By the 2010 Google IO keynote they made this explicit with Vic Gundottra's speech describing the mission of Android according to Andy Rubin (it's original creator): "If Google did not act, we faced a draconian future. A future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice. That's a future we don't want."

This was a reference to Steve Jobs, Apple, iPhone and AT&T (originally Cingular).

https://youtu.be/89xc_1Vv69k?si=1HkgjXT6P0ScuBZG

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by rezonant »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

It either indicates Apple isn't sure it can catch up or that they simultaneously realize they need to provide these AI features but don't think AI as a marketing component will have the staying power to make the investment worth it.

I can't say I disagree very much, as the AI hype is quite overblown.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by alphabetting »

minimaxir wrote: post #2

Neither Google nor OpenAI's infra could handle the potential scale of Apple's userbase, given the scaling issues both companies are having. Even Google doesn't have enough GPUs.

"Google will quite literally have more TPUv5's than OpenAl, Meta, CoreWeave, Oracle, and Amazon will have GPUs combined"

https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-gemini-eats-the-world-...

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