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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by suoduandao3 »

yungporko wrote: post #64
lynx23 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the stereotype confirmed on HN several times already. Whenever I, a blind pedestrian, voice my concerns about driverless car technology, I am being downvoted and outright critizised. The undertone is "How can this single person try to block an emerging technology". That pretty much confirms the statement that tech people sometimes have a hard time with human concerns.

i think it just confirms that in any given group of people, a majority percentage of them will be self absorbed dickheads.

I don't think it's always necessarily a majority - it's just always going to be more than we estimate.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bheadmaster wrote: post #10
rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

> Now, how do they enforce / check these "assemblies of people" depends on the people you ask. I assume police officers enforce / check them when they need to fill their ticket quota, want to get money through a bribe, or just want to punish someone who personally annoyed them? That's how it usually works with half-enforced laws. In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it…

> In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it loses power.

The evil twin of this is maximized enforcement where enforcement and punishment have become a strong focus and shaping societal behavior is maybe a justification. It is the point at which we have lost our way.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by jwalton »

alephnerd wrote: post #39
rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess.... [1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1…

I think the actual issue is that a government holds the insane belief that by blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by alephnerd »

jwalton wrote: post #73
alephnerd wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess.... [1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1…

I think the actual issue is that a government holds the insane belief that by blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens.

> blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens

If you make an anonymous bomb threat using Gmail in India, Google will hand off all information to the Indian government as they have operations in India and will be held liable, just like they would in the US.

This is the reason why Proton AG honors American law enforcement requests - the US and Switzerland have an agreement that data platforms in both countries need to honor each other's law enforcement requests.

If Proton AG won't give User metadata without litigation in Switzerland, it will get blocked in those jurisdictions it doesn't play ball with.

This is why most piracy platforms and data platforms will honor metadata requests from US Law Enforcement - you will become a toxic financial liability if you choose to flout US litigation.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by _heimdall »

alephnerd wrote: post #36
_heimdall wrote: post #30

There's a pretty egregious misunderstanding of how email works in both the article and the proposed ban. Protonmail can only end-to-end encrypt email when the receiver is also using Protonmail. The email spec has no support for a universal encryption method, one of the reasons we'd be better off not using email at all today. They also don't explain how the inability to track the sender's IP is specific to Protonmail.…

> inability to track the sender's IP is specific to Protonmail The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess....…

India is target Protonmail rather than all companies in countries that India doesn't have an agreement with though, right?

My point was just that singling out Protonmail doesn't make sense and misses the point on how email works.

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Post by SmokeyHamster »

rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

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