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Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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> This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users. Tracking. Pure HTML doesn't allow much tracking. Our sector convinced c-suite that we need all kind of data, and now they want it.

Tracking isn't always bad, it is often being used to make the product better and discover usability issues.

A much better way to discover usability issues is to have an issue tracker.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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A quiet reminder that sourcehut is pretty great, and loads fine in dillo .

The issue with sourcehut is that it's intentionally anti- social. Which is totally fine for personal projects, but Git(lab|hub) are modelled on the notion that you should want people to contribute to your code. FD: I'm a happy paying customer of sourcehut: https://git.sr.ht/~dijit/

SourceHut is modelled on the notion that people can contribute to your code even if they don’t have a SourceHut account. Wouldn’t that make it more social?

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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Honest question and no pun intended: I don't understand people's desire to prevent JavaScript from being a language that runs in the browser. Could someone shed some light on this?

People have the ability to decide what does and does not run on their machine. I'm sure a major motivation is to stop annoyances (e.g. ads, sounds, video players, etc). That being said: There is a certain entitlement that comes along with it, while they're absolutely entitled to decide what runs on their machine, they have this expectation that sites should dedicate engineering/QA/time/etc to this niche. In essence g…

> In essence give a sub-3% user base a disproportionate amount of attention.

Some comments in this thread are arguing that many less economically developed countries provide poorer connectivity and lesser bandwidth than elsewhere. Are the users in these countries truly "sub-3%" of the global user base? I honestly don't know.

Depends on the site, naturally, but it seems to me that devoting dev resources to serve users in less developed countries is a good thing. Wikipedia, for instance, renders essentially the same with or without Javascript. That helps to account for its vast international uptake, is my guess.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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For sure as of today GitHub is a web app, but it's questionable whether it should forces you to use it as one. In essence, GitHub is just a remote server for a .git folder. This does not need any JS. I see that GitHub now tries to become at the same time a social media for hacker-friendly people and some sort of super-CI server with automation. For sure these are good features. However I also see why people are sad t…

While I can understand the annoyance at the change, if your perspective is that GitHub is just a server for a .git directory then why even bother with accessing it via a web browser in the first place. The git cli seems like it should be both more than sufficient in that case and preferable since it’s much less resource intensive and designed for the purpose. For sure there is a discussion to be had about whether the…

When working in a team, having a lightweight shared git remote for sources is super handy. For instance Gerrit, or what uses Google (Critique I think it’s called). For sure these services have a little bit of JS for things such as code reviews, but they’re useable without any.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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The websites are also written badly, and appear to optimize being written badly, because of their lack of goal alignment with users. If you do a View Source on Reuters.com main landing page, it's script file is a single line that's 1,300,000 characters long. And every time you land on a page it tries to dump 1,300,000 characters of script on you (on top of the multi-MB videos it auto-loads) [and the pop-ups] Most maj…

You didn't ask for it but might find it useful: https://neuters.de

Thanks. That's a cool site I had no idea existed. Frankly, most major news websites should offer this as a normal alternative. The news browsing experience would be so superior in many ways.
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