Come to US and get the degree since it's almost free for you. Since u r not from India, if you can get a job after, green card will be fast enough and now you will have access to the best economy in the world. But be ready to work your ass off and you must luke capitalism because it is not as nice as Europe when it comes to social benefits.
Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
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Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#72You should study in the US. From my perspective, it’s not even a close decision.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#73Europe is a very old hotel. North America is a new hotel.
Yes, management and other things can be terrible or acceptable in both.
But in the end of the day it comes down to your values and preferences - which kind of "hotel" do you like living the most.
There is no wrong answer.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#74Yes, your pay in the United States would be much higher than you'd get paid in the same position in Europe. Taxes are also higher in Europe than in the US. It evens out a bit if you have dependents, or some other special circumstances. For a young person with no dependents or chronic medical conditions, financially US is going to be a much better choice. That being said, you're not going to just automatically get a j…
Echoing on "a bad job market is the perfect time to go to school". The bad job market will rebound. Don't fall into the AI destroy jobs narative, it will create more jobs, just different. Others mentions about good US education opening doors to the US job market. That is true and definitely warrants over working in EU just by itself, but the other priceless benefit to a good US education is the network of people to start doing things on your own should you decide that is what you want later.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#75The us is the greatest country in earth for risk taking, failing and then succeeding. If you see yourself having that in you, by all means us is the only way. If you want to just chill and not have high highs but just let the govt take care of you, go to Europe.
This is honest an American centric attitude. to flip it on it's head. If you get ill or injured in the us you could be more than the $20K in debt for hospital bills. Whereas Europe has healthcare that will not take away everything you have. Also there is the fact that America is extremely anti-immigration at the moment.
How often does this happen? You hear about it but I don’t know anyone within 3 degrees of separation that has had this happen to them.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#76The us is the greatest country in earth for risk taking, failing and then succeeding. If you see yourself having that in you, by all means us is the only way. If you want to just chill and not have high highs but just let the govt take care of you, go to Europe.
This is honest an American centric attitude. to flip it on it's head. If you get ill or injured in the us you could be more than the $20K in debt for hospital bills. Whereas Europe has healthcare that will not take away everything you have. Also there is the fact that America is extremely anti-immigration at the moment.
>If you get ill or injured in the us you could be more than the $20K in debt for hospital bills
If you're on a visa and you lose your job and thus your health insurance, you're probably going back to your home country anyways. I wouldn't worry about medical debt then, they can't pursue you across international lines. Send the hospital AP department an email saying 'hi I'm no longer in the US, I'm in HomeCountry for the foreseeable future' and they're just going to write off the debt and call it a day. Medical debts don't cross national borders
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#77Study in the USA. You can always go to Europe in the future, but a T200 degree for $80k is worth it imo.
Your English (from this) appears operational and you will get many contacts in the USA, and if you make money in the USA it will go further if you later decide to go to the EU or back home.
You also get four years of stability to withstand whatever winds may blow.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#78Yes, your pay in the United States would be much higher than you'd get paid in the same position in Europe. Taxes are also higher in Europe than in the US. It evens out a bit if you have dependents, or some other special circumstances. For a young person with no dependents or chronic medical conditions, financially US is going to be a much better choice. That being said, you're not going to just automatically get a j…
Echoing on "a bad job market is the perfect time to go to school". The bad job market will rebound. Don't fall into the AI destroy jobs narative, it will create more jobs, just different. Others mentions about good US education opening doors to the US job market. That is true and definitely warrants over working in EU just by itself, but the other priceless benefit to a good US education is the network of people to s…
To compound on this, four years at a college is a perfect time to build social connections to people who will be all over the industry in various ways.
A T200 school may be a bit more limiting to a geographic region, but you'll still have contacts.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#79My perspective is limited as a US citizen who's never been to Europe, but what I would add is that international students here are under a lot of stress to find a job when they graduate so they can stay in the country. Of course choices are limited because not all companies sponsor. You can see entire lines of people disappear at the career fair when a company puts up a sign saying they aren't sponsoring visas this c…
Yes, the work visa after graduation is the main source of my worry. I've read the problem for internationals is amplified by the current state of the tech economy. Dunno if that'll persist by the time I graduate or not. I'm considering switching my major to Electrical Engineering if the university allows in hopes of keeping more doors open. As for the gap year, this particular university denied it, besides I'm 20 and…
Things could change massively in four years, but I'd head into it with the "I'm going to get a degree in the USA and then return/head to the EU" - with that mentality, then the opportunity to stay on becomes not something to lose but potentially a happy bonus.
One huge advantage is being bilingual - you may be able to play that up and get something out of it, especially as more and more companies have overseas operations.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#80Go study in the US.. EU will pay peanuts and there's not much going on except for a few companies.