great, the new OS war is coming! the question is, who gets the network effect bottle neck right?
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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#72The website and the first 5 minutes of the keynote fails to convey what the device does exactly, other than that it meant to replace smartphones, which can't be right. This form factor would be inconvenient for watching videos and that's one of the most common uses of smartphones. They should just market it as a pocket assistant and make it do one thing exceptionally well. It's a losing strategy to try to be everything for everyone instead of just trying to dominate a small beachhead market. Smartphones with better assistants are coming, but there is no reason to compete with them. Just differentiate the damn product.
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#73I'm curious how they plan on covering the cost of their cloud services without a subscription fee.
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#74So many questions. Is this a YC company? Did they apply? Does anyone know anything about them at all? It just screams scam to me. Who would give them $200 for vapor? [Edit: I have been told the device has been demoed in a comment below, so perhaps it might be real.] Let’s say Apple were to do this. Apple would take years to get it right but when they announced it would be with a date with an accuracy to within a cert…
> Who would give them $200 for vapor?
this doesnt qualify for vapor - they have shown the device in use, and announced a ship date.
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#75LLM-first phone, but LLM not run locally? I can't accept that.
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#76One of the most impressive product launches I've seen recently. Looks almost too good to be true. Good luck to the team.
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#77Sidenote: I find it funny that somebody that is trying to create a product that competes with Apple and Google ends up showing both of their logos in many places of their most important marketing video.
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#78I am definitely not the target audience for this. I am that person that keeps typing while people send voice notes, and now the only way to interact with this device is via voice? :(
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#79I am almost never a hater on people trying ambitious things, but man this is one of the most "doomed to fail" things I've ever seen. You've got absolutely insane market saturation by two major players that have some of the most advanced AI teams on the planet. Almost nobody is going to buy an "LLM-first phone," they will just wait for Apple or Google to put an LLM into their existing phone.
to me the pitch is compelling. i don't want to use any more fucking apps -- i want to talk to my computer, like i talk to chatgpt. there's real opportunity for a revolution here.
i don't think apple or google are well-positioned to build this revolution, because they are too conservative and too bought-in on the old interaction model.
(if jobs were still around, different story. alas.)
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#80This was what I had hoped might be possible years ago working on a voice assistant for a browser (Firefox Voice). That was all prototypish and desktop-focused, but the real potential I saw was in remote control of a cloud-based browser. Voice assistants without a way to execute actions are pretty limited. Google/Siri/Alexa built up those actions through sheer effort, creating integrations for everything, carefully handling the conflicts, etc. A cloud-based browser has the potential to maintain context and perform actions across everything right away, without that huge investment and need for market share, nor buy-in from service providers.
I'm not sure how exactly they handle the communication between that browser and the phone, but at least my sense of this is that they are doing what I imagine is "standard" browser automation (which is much more advanced with LLMs) and then something to reinterpret the output for the phone. You can do a lot with the mobile view of the sites, but they seem to be going further. (For something like Spotify I wonder if they are doing something site-specific)
The use of a browser offers interesting possibilities for auditing what is happening. With something like GPT Plugins you can see the JSON, but it's not really equivalent to what you as a user understand.
Looking at them using Discord, it makes me think they must be doing automation through vision, detecting pixel locations, etc, as Discord is deliberately hard to automate.