in other news the world's 50 billion-ish Linux, Windows and Apple devices have also all been "recalled" hundreds of times in the last few years alone
Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
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Yeah I was wondering about that too. I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-self-driving model y. I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane). Won’t be trying again until next update (if it sticks in the car). edit: corrected autopilot (cruise control) -> self driving
Are you a new Tesla owner? > I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-autopilot model y. All (edit: new since 2019) Teslas come with autopilot. “Full self driving” is an add on. > I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane) “Switching off” usually means that it can’t identify the lane it’s sup…
I meant self-driving haha. Had it for 2 years but the names are still confusing. I'm like 99% sure autopilot did no steering before this update. Now it will try to go around curves on its own, but as I said it was randomly turning off (engaging the brakes unless you press the accelerator)... similar to the phantom braking stuff before but more shocking because it's steering too.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a regular OTA update. Negligent drivers have killed people, not autopilot capabilities. Take the example in the recent Washington Post article where a driver ran through a stop sign at a T intersection, left the road, and killed a bystander. What the article didn't say is that the system reduced cruise set point to 45 mph due to the road type, but the driver was _holding down the accelerator pedal_ to maintain…
1. Every time one of these articles comes out, the investigation concludes 10 months later that the driver was at fault. 2. The hero metric is what is the rate of crashes _compared to the general population not using Autopilot_. Tesla make it abundantly clear that the driver is still responsible for monitoring. This is analogous to a dev just deploying copy-pasted code from ChatGPT without checking it. You still supe…
That's because legally, they are. However, it hasn't stopped Tesla from doing things like hold press conferences (in the case of a fatal collision with a Semi) to talk about how the car had warned the driver to hold the steering wheel, and neglect the trifling detail that it had done that once, and it was eighteen minutes prior to the accident. Tesla will happily throw you under the bus to try to protect the reputation of FSD/AP.
> Tesla make it abundantly clear that the driver is still responsible for monitoring.
Tesla had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing this. When AP first launched, the steering wheel checks were every fifteen minutes, then reduced to five. It has only been through repeated cajoling that it is down to where it is now.
Let's not forget that "The driver is only in the seat for legal purposes. The car is driving itself." is still on Tesla's website to this day. (And in a sense, it is accurate - the legal purposes just include trying to shield Tesla from as much liability as possible). Oh, and Smart Summon. "Bring your car to you while you deal with a fussy child" (and still maintain complete awareness of your car...)
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update. Tesla has a long history of being dishonest about Autopilot capabilities and dangers, and it's killed several people so far. The NHTSA is forcing them to make some tweaks. (Not arguing that autopilot is on the whole any more or less safe than human drivers. Just that Tesla has a history of misrepresentation.)
It is a regular OTA update. Negligent drivers have killed people, not autopilot capabilities. Take the example in the recent Washington Post article where a driver ran through a stop sign at a T intersection, left the road, and killed a bystander. What the article didn't say is that the system reduced cruise set point to 45 mph due to the road type, but the driver was _holding down the accelerator pedal_ to maintain…
> It is a regular OTA update
Tesla is mailing a letter to all affected owners about this. Does Tesla normally do that for regular OTA updates?
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't own a Tesla but when I was a kid we had Sega Channel and I remember waking up on the first day of a new cycle, excited to see what games had randomly been chosen to be listed. This is how I imagine update day going with a Tesla lol "Did they include any exciting features? Take anything good away? Gotta wake up and go find out!"
I hope this is in jest, and I’m assuming it is. The fact that this is even allowed to happen is bewildering to me. The fact that the car can perform totally different from one day to the next because of an OTA update you knew nothing about is insane. Even if there are UI notifications on the 65” TV in the console, NOBODY reads them. They just scroll through and click accept/okay as quickly as possible. They are alrea…
IDK, there've been a lot of nice quality of life improvements in those updates over the years. Eg, moving wiper controls to the buttons and configurable quick controls. The cameras have improved quite a bit from software updates too. And obviously there are more basic things too, such as updates to media apps and better integration with MyQ garage door openers.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#76Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update. Tesla has a long history of being dishonest about Autopilot capabilities and dangers, and it's killed several people so far. The NHTSA is forcing them to make some tweaks. (Not arguing that autopilot is on the whole any more or less safe than human drivers. Just that Tesla has a history of misrepresentation.)
> It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update. And how does this "recall" work? Is it physically taking the car to a branch to apply the update? I'm curious to know.
You know some "recalls" have a required fix of "throw the thing away" right? Recall just means the government is making you do something to a giant subset of your product fleet, usually for safety reasons.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you a new Tesla owner? > I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-autopilot model y. All (edit: new since 2019) Teslas come with autopilot. “Full self driving” is an add on. > I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane) “Switching off” usually means that it can’t identify the lane it’s sup…
I've been driving an M3 since 2020 and have put 40k miles on it, mostly over road trips throughout California and the western half of the US. Phantom braking has always been a bit of an issue -- when I first got the car, I just wouldn't use cruise control in heavy traffic, but felt ok using it once out of a city. In the past year or so, it's been so bad I'm scared to use it at all, and I've filed multiple complaints…
Are most those 40k miles in the last year or so?
> I just wouldn't use cruise control in heavy traffic
Assuming you’re staying in one lane for a bit, AP actually shines in heavy traffic (especially stop and go).
> I'll be driving on I-80 through Nevada or Utah and every ~10 minutes the car will slam on its brakes.
Two points:
1. The update I spoke of was in spring 2022. AP improved a lot with that update for me. Shadows stopped triggering phantom braking. Trucks driving it adjacent opposite lanes on highways stopped triggering phantom braking. It took away the most egregious errors, imho. So if you’re talking about trips mostly before the spring 2022 update, i can believe it. If it’s after spring 2022, then…
2. Nevada can have lots of reflection mirages due to desert heat. Not sure about Utah, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the cause there as well (if it happened have the 2022 update).
I have my criticisms of teslas as cars and as a company, but autopilot is not one of them.
> I wish there was a way to make my cruise control "dumb"/non-adaptive just to stop the random abrupt braking in the middle of nowhere.
Agreed. This is one feature I hope that they are forced to make.
My biggest use case of it would be when it’s raining. AP still forces auto wipers when it’s raining, and it often runs too long (when there is no more rain) and/or too fast.
Of course, since I live in CA, rain is rarely an issue.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't own a Tesla but when I was a kid we had Sega Channel and I remember waking up on the first day of a new cycle, excited to see what games had randomly been chosen to be listed. This is how I imagine update day going with a Tesla lol "Did they include any exciting features? Take anything good away? Gotta wake up and go find out!"
I hope this is in jest, and I’m assuming it is. The fact that this is even allowed to happen is bewildering to me. The fact that the car can perform totally different from one day to the next because of an OTA update you knew nothing about is insane. Even if there are UI notifications on the 65” TV in the console, NOBODY reads them. They just scroll through and click accept/okay as quickly as possible. They are alrea…
When you buy a Tesla you are signing up for this. Some people don't like it but many do. (Most of these changes are genuine improvements.) There are plenty of competitors out there if you prefer to go without such a feature.