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Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by ben_w » Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 10:09 PM UTC

gumballindie wrote: post #10

gmuslera wrote: post #8

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The value it haves for you may exceed or not its price. But "you" is an important part of that equation.

What value does a procedural text generator provide?

It can be an infinitely patient teacher for physics and German, that never gets frustrated by me getting the conjugations wrong or having whacky ideas like getting lift from plasma held in a magnetic field.

It can write boring code, like the OpenStreetMap query to find all supermarkets within 50x50km of Berlin.

It can do code and literature reviews of my solo projects and stories.

It can take a list of ingredients and suggest things I can cook with them, and unlike "real" recipe websites it can do this without telling me how their grandmother used to comfort them with this on a beautiful autumn weekend, when… [1000 words and four ad breaks later] … and then when the website actually gets to the recipe it turns out to be unsuitable anyway.

It can write form letters

It can help role-play difficult real-life scenarios.

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I don't expect perfection in any of these things. If it was perfect, us software developers would already be redundant, as would all the lawyers, the accountants, and anyone else whose job can be reduced to images and words.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by MattRix » Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 10:14 PM UTC

gumballindie wrote: post #61

MattRix wrote: post #35

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I’m a little perplexed at why you feel the need to refer to it in reductionist terms like this? It seems to provide a lot of value considering that it has 100 million weekly active users. I regularly find myself using it a dozen times a day. I feel like the only reason someone wouldn’t find it useful is if they weren’t ever doing anything new.

Loads of useless products have hundreds of millions of users. Threads, Twitter, Facebook, and so on. Just spamming forums to promote this product wont increase its utility.

None of the things you mentioned are useless. Perhaps you‘re just being needlessly critical? Or is this just a form of trolling?

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by broast » Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

throw_pm23 wrote: post #19

broast wrote: post #15

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Same

What is a concrete situation where it is useful?

My team was facing an issue with their microservice not recovering after a Kafka outage, which we only observed once and we couldn't reproduce, and didnt understand why not. Googling the symptoms did not yield anything. ChatGPT gave us a theory which happened to be correct, which was that the outage needed to be long enough for the kerberos ticket needed to expire. I estimate without this answer from chatgpt we would have wasted at least a day of our own or other people's time in investigation, but it was solved in minutes.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by jerpint » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 12:12 AM UTC

alfonsodev wrote: post #34

jerpint wrote: post #29

Not sure if it’s related or not but I noticed the UX has changed on the web interface and when I ask for code, it now defaults to running it through an interpreter with a hidden view by default. This is very annoying to me as I want to mostly read the code, not have it be executed without any context

are you writing Python code? I wonder if this behavior just applies to Python as I recall code interpreter is Python only.

Yes mostly python

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by op00to » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 2:08 AM UTC

unsupp0rted wrote: post #24

retskrad wrote: post #3

At $10/month, ChatGPT-4 is reasonable. At $20, that's a no no!

For me it’s a steal at 5x the price. Maybe 10x.

Not until they stop training on my conversations.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by huytersd » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 2:40 AM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #17

TeMPOraL wrote: post #14

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Even now that it has image generation via DALL-E 3, image comprehension via GPT-4V, and the Android app can hold a voice conversation with you, with unprecedented voice recognition accuracy?

what would a ordinary person use all these for beyond curiosities? I pay for but i only use it handful of times after i remind myself to use it .

In the last five minutes? I asked it what the model number of a door handle I had that I needed to get replaced. It was able to provide with a Home Depot link for the exact model.

In the last hour? It told me how to connect an ODB reader to my car and reset the error codes.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by Turing_Machine » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 3:05 AM UTC

gumballindie wrote: post #61

MattRix wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a little perplexed at why you feel the need to refer to it in reductionist terms like this? It seems to provide a lot of value considering that it has 100 million weekly active users. I regularly find myself using it a dozen times a day. I feel like the only reason someone wouldn’t find it useful is if they weren’t ever doing anything new.

Loads of useless products have hundreds of millions of users. Threads, Twitter, Facebook, and so on. Just spamming forums to promote this product wont increase its utility.

Why do you get make the decisions about what other people find useful?

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by jhardy54 » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 3:31 AM UTC

appplication wrote: post #66

DonHopkins wrote: post #56

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Is it smart enough to solve the halting problem and not bother running code with infinite loops?

Infinite loops and the halting problem are separate issues. You can detect infinite loops with basic static analysis.

You can detect some infinite loops with basic static analysis, but detecting all infinite loops would mean that you’ve solved the halting problem.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by rockemsockem » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 7:57 AM UTC

DonHopkins wrote: post #56

jerpint wrote: post #29

Not sure if it’s related or not but I noticed the UX has changed on the web interface and when I ask for code, it now defaults to running it through an interpreter with a hidden view by default. This is very annoying to me as I want to mostly read the code, not have it be executed without any context

Is it smart enough to solve the halting problem and not bother running code with infinite loops?

The practical solution to the halting problem is to be impatient and just kill any computation that takes longer than N minutes

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by pllbnk » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 7:58 AM UTC

jerpint wrote: post #29

Not sure if it’s related or not but I noticed the UX has changed on the web interface and when I ask for code, it now defaults to running it through an interpreter with a hidden view by default. This is very annoying to me as I want to mostly read the code, not have it be executed without any context

Now it also annoyingly searches almost anything on Bing. I was interested in some coffee machine recommendation/research and it started searching on Bing, which I would have done myself if I wanted to do that. Only after explicitly instructing it not to search for information online I could start asking it the interesting questions.