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Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

monopoliessuck wrote: post #68
Fnoord wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wobbly USB port is an issue of the past with microUSB and lightning. USB-C does not have this issue as the weight lies on the cable. Batteries in some Bluetooth headsets can be replaced. There are iFixit guides available. Most customers use terrible quality SD cards, and then QQ about them breaking. A burden for CS. The exterior case design of FP4 and FP5 copies Samsung rather than Apple.

An always plugged in port risks damage and a damaged USB port makes your phone a brick, not so for an analog port that is inarguably more resilient. Every major vendor's earbuds and most of their headsets aren't battery-replacable. This complexity moves outside the phone and onto the user when all of this was handled reliably by "lesser" hardware of yore. None of this makes Bluetooth headsets an impossibility. SD Car…

> An always plugged in port risks damage and a damaged USB port makes your phone a brick, not so for an analog port that is inarguably more resilient.

Doubt it, there is no data to support this with regards to Fairphone 4 and 5. You'd think that if there was a negative data point on that, there'd be tons and tons of CS reports on it. On the contrary; Fairphone 4 has very little CS support requirement and returns. In contrast to other phones, as well as Fairphone 2 (which was, by Fairphone's own [paraphrased] words, a CS disaster).

Either way, the USB-C port on Fairphone 4 and 5 is easily replaced.

> SD Card upsells are so obviously upsells, come on. Yes using shoddy peripherals can lead to a bad experience and they're replaceable for a reason.

eMMC is more reliable. Practically everyone is using these consumer grade (micro)SD cards. You get what you pay for.

> Every major vendor's earbuds and most of their headsets aren't battery-replacable.

Oh that is weird cause this guide is marked as Easy and a major brand [1]

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Sony+WF-1000XM3+Battery+Replace...

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by [deleted] »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #53

"/e/OS by Murena" Engineer tech founders, open source maintainers: please pass these names by a normal person before you decide on them. No normal person is going to understand that "/e/OS" is supposed to be a Unix file path, nor care. They're going to go "why does it have a '/' around the 'e' ?". If they pop it into their browser search bar, they will get an error, because the browser thinks it's a file path or some…

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Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by nehal3m »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #53

"/e/OS by Murena" Engineer tech founders, open source maintainers: please pass these names by a normal person before you decide on them. No normal person is going to understand that "/e/OS" is supposed to be a Unix file path, nor care. They're going to go "why does it have a '/' around the 'e' ?". If they pop it into their browser search bar, they will get an error, because the browser thinks it's a file path or some…

I wholeheartedly agree.

It is also difficult to pronounce. I've come to call it slashyslash, but telling other people about it (which is absolutely paramount to it gaining popularity) is annoying. Me telling a friend about this would go:

I use slashyslash OS by Murena. It's forward slash, the letter e, forward slash, capital O capital S. Don't search for it from your address bar, but go to your search engine's homepage first.

The first thing people care about when it comes to the device they use to organise their every day lives with is convenience. If you can't even find it in the first place, what snowball's chance in hell does it have?

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by ploum »

I’ve a fairphone 3 which had a faulty bottom-part (the microphone/charging module).

After a drop in water, the faulty part was completely broken so I tried to order one from their shop.

This part has been "out-of-stock" for more than two years now. I’ve a repairable smartphone that I can’t repair. Meanwhile, the FP4 and the FP5 replaced the FP3.

So much for trying to "not consume".

I hate Apple but my wife manage to keep her iphones 3/4 years each.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by tempodox »

ploum wrote: post #75

I’ve a fairphone 3 which had a faulty bottom-part (the microphone/charging module). After a drop in water, the faulty part was completely broken so I tried to order one from their shop. This part has been "out-of-stock" for more than two years now. I’ve a repairable smartphone that I can’t repair. Meanwhile, the FP4 and the FP5 replaced the FP3. So much for trying to "not consume". I hate Apple but my wife manage to…

An iPhone can easily last twice as long if you treat it well, at least as far as the hardware is concerned.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by JoshTko »

ploum wrote: post #75

I’ve a fairphone 3 which had a faulty bottom-part (the microphone/charging module). After a drop in water, the faulty part was completely broken so I tried to order one from their shop. This part has been "out-of-stock" for more than two years now. I’ve a repairable smartphone that I can’t repair. Meanwhile, the FP4 and the FP5 replaced the FP3. So much for trying to "not consume". I hate Apple but my wife manage to…

Would you continue to choose the fairphone 3 if parts were readily available? It seems that the modularity/repairability reduces reliability relative to the iPhone.

My iPhone mini 13 is a tank possibly even more than the Nokias that I've had.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by seized »

rany_ wrote: post #47
Fnoord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth a…

It is true though, lest we forget that Samsung managed to make the Galaxy S5 IP67 water resistant... this phone meanwhile is IP57 rated, which is actually even worse. If they tell you "it's harder with the headphone jack" that's not a good enough reason either, just try harder; it's not worth omitting when we know it is possible. Samsung was able to pull this off with the S5 A DECADE AGO: - removable back - removable…

And to be fair, those phones quickly got to the point where the flap over the USB port would break or not seal. And the back would get loose, because Samsung ruined the OS so it needed frequent battery removed reboots. And the finger print sensor wouldn't work if your finger had been near water in the last 12 hours. So it had constant warnings about the above.

The S8 I had was the low point of Android ownership for me.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #61
Fnoord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth a…

I don't think there's anything "environmentally friendly" about making users have an extra dongle to get basic functionality.

Only if you think in absolutes. We shouldn't; we should view the issue in birdview, pragmatically with all pros and cons. The people for whom 3.5mm is a dealbreaker are loud, but seem rather minor if we look at the general market.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by rglullis »

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently?

I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with a better sensor came along. If their software support is limited by the SoC they are using, perhaps I would be interested in upgrading the main board, but I could keep everything else after the 7-8 years.

Instead, they are expecting me to hold out for this phone as long as possible and then upgrade to whatever they are selling 5 years from now. Not only this will not happen (as I do not want a phone that does not have a headphone jack), this will basically condemn this phone to the same pile of obsolete-phones-with-perfectly-serviceable-displays-and-cameras that I have on my desk drawer.

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