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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Mulder911 »

elric wrote: post #59
kunalgupta wrote: post #10

Insane, but totally believable "a[n eighty year] Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages."

How many of these crashes are there? Did these aliens fly halfway across a galaxy just to crash in our neck of the woods? Are they flying around in cheap junk? Or are they just terrible pilots? All those special vehicle morphologies and unique atomic arrangements just to crash land. Odd.

If you define the veracity of such claims as facetious, consider the early experiments of Enrique Inglesias Fermi when he invented microwaves. No one disregards the book GWB was reading to that class on 9/11/21 and no one would because it was on camera. Please take care with your words as many here look up to you guys for explanations to the larger UCF topic. Thanks!

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Post by Loquebantur »

lisasays wrote: post #65
Loquebantur wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mere circumstance of a person with his career going on record with such claims is a great deal and clearly indicative of something really unusual happening.

Ironically this is what many people thought when they saw Colin Powell go in front of the UN and do his song and dance about Iraq's WMD program. Which surely must have been a clear and present danger to the world at large, for this guy to go on record and stake his whole reputation and legacy on it. And yet, when you actually listened to what the guy was saying ...

Indeed, you should actually listen to what this whistleblower is saying rather than relying solely on credentials.

I don't know though, whether Colin Powell risked his career in any way, it doesn't look like it.

You are weirdly not providing any reasoned arguments whatsoever, only illogical slander. Why is that?

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Post by graderjs »

lisasays wrote: post #13

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of uniq…

I totally agree. You say you’ve been covering up some big project for 70 years? Okay, where are the results? Otherwise your just fronting, desperate to cover your ignorance for what you don’t understand and which challenges your authority.

This is the governing superstructure’s chance to step up. I hope it takes it

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Post by graderjs »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #47
blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence.

That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality.

For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have already made it into the public. Check out the YouTube channel: Unidentified.

What’s missing is “official confirmation”, because the government/corporate aspect is afraid of what they don’t understand and can’t control, so they have to deny it. It challenges their authority.

If this insider becomes or helps beget official confirmation: that would be cool. It would mean we actually live in a powerful state that isn’t afraid of reality, however humbling that may be.

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Post by RyanCavanaugh »

Loquebantur wrote: post #25
lisasays wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

"Hearsay" is a derogatory term used to disparage evidence. It is entirely unscientific, as evidence is not ignored solely based on the messenger. You have to thoroughly evaluate the context, regardless of your personal preconceptions. The guy has done a seven hour interview with Ross Coulthart, that is due to come out this week. He is reported to have such photos, documents, etc. This story is bigger than Watergate b…

This story is bigger than Watergate by orders of magnitude, if it's true.

There have been "Retired intelligence officer says he has evidence of aliens" stories floating in fringe media for decades, and all of them have turned out to be cranks. Bob Lazar has been working this beat since 1989; where's the evidence?

Maybe eventually one of these times it'll all be true, but skepticism -- extreme skepticism -- should absolutely be the default position here.

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Post by graderjs »

motohagiography wrote: post #68

Whether it's true or not, there are some predictable consequences to a mainstream "proof of aliens" scenario: - for national governments, the choice to accept revealing the existence of aliens now would be an implied endorsement of the current world order. e.g. everything has changed, we need to suspend new changes until we know more. Looks bad for elections. - it is a reason to dispense with rules and limits on sove…

Nah man, if that were true, governments & corporate would have revealed the existence of aliens when they first knew about them.

Rather than playing an elaborate counterintelligence cover game, pretending they have advanced projects reverse engineering, creating technology, a secret space program, to give the illusion of control and knowledge about some thing they don’t understand, they can’t reproduce, and they have no control over.

You’re right, the aliens are above Earth governments, and corporations. But that’s why they can’t reveal them: why we gonna listen to them if there’s something better out there?

The creation of a new priest class? unlikely.

Official disclosure at this point just means the corporate government superstructure has become comfortable with vulnerability and they’re OK that humanity goes on this path together to adjust to this new reality, rather than thinking they have to lie, be afraid, and deny everything to keep it all super secret, just to protect their authority.

The wiggle is that maybe they are only “comfortable with vulnerability” now that they think they can keep us under total control after our sheepishness during the pandemic. Hopefully not, but let’s see how this plays out, and if this even becomes or helps beget official disclosure.

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Post by Pompidou »

graderjs wrote: post #77
IAmGraydon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence. That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality. For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have alrea…

Can you provide any link to good photos or videos evidences ? I've never heard of any advanced metallurgy. Do you have any usefull web ressource for me to know more ?
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