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Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

#71
this reminds me of when i worked for a 150 employee business whose sole revenue came from consuming facebook and twitter apis.

you are really just fucked as soon as the giants decide to steal your product, even if they can't compete with your product on usability, features, or marketing. all they have to do is change their pricing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not alone but definitely in the minority. I am not sure if it is statistically significant but I founded a small tech sub-reddit (~30k users) and from the moderator stats 70% of traffic is from their iOS app. I used to use 'reddit.com/.compact' which was an actual mobile friendly and light interface, but that was depricated this year and now, like you, I am stuck with old.reddit.com on mobile.

70% come from the official Reddit iOS app? How much are from visiting Reddit directly and any other Reddit official apps? I'd expect a tech community to use the official apps less than the norm.

I'm not sure how well accounted the other apps are, there doesn't seem to be a specific category for other apps.

But for 'direct' access basically if I put new.reddit and old.reddit and 'mobile web' whatever that is, the total of all three categories is less than 10%.

I guess also that these stats will not be very accurate for desktop if people are using ublock, ghostery, etc.

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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Speaking as an Apollo user for five years, the official app is just terrible. From big problems like confusing/inconsistent navigation and missing video and text formatting options to annoyances like slow/delayed animations and janky scrolling, there's just a huge lack of thought or polish in Reddit's app. I think Reddit is just embarrassed that one guy can make an app that's so, so, soooo much better than their slow…

Even old.reddit.com has gotten bad. I have an annoying persistent problem that ads auto-play with sound, despite being disabled in my Reddit options and in my browser options. I've re-enabled and re-disabled all of these options and it still happens. They (Reddit) claim that this is not expected behavior. Some other people have also reported this. No fixes.

I wonder if old.reddit.com is a freeze-dried old codebase in maintenance mode. If so, I would expect it to get worse over time, broken by accident, never prioritized to be fixed.

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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> Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year. Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month 900,000 total users, if they were all converted to paid users, would cost $1.89 per user, so Apollo could charge $1.99 per month. Or they could charge $2.50…

Why should I have to pay when my de facto web browser is the apollo app versus the safari app? At the end of the day its just an app interfacing with a website in both cases, and regulating that in either way is inconsistent and stupid.

When you are in the web browser, Reddit makes money off you by serving you ads. With Apollo, they get nothing.

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to calculations, His only pivot is to make it sub only for like 5$ a month. Remember 30% goes to Apple.

Since Apollo qualifies as a small/medium business, that's 15%

They need $20 million to break even on the api costs alone. Both Google and Apple charge 30% on revenue exceeding $1 million per year

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

#77
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The owner of this client should just try to replace underlying Reddit with something else. Someone tried something similar years ago they bought up all the popular twitter clients

What? There are many people who pay to use Christian's app specifically to interact with Reddit. If Apollo suddenly switched to another social network, it would make a lot of people understandably angry

Seems like he is in an impossible position to continue down his current path. He has a large enough user base he might only need to replicate a few key subreddits. Sure didn’t reddit start off by having bots vote or post submissions

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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Speaking as an Apollo user for five years, the official app is just terrible. From big problems like confusing/inconsistent navigation and missing video and text formatting options to annoyances like slow/delayed animations and janky scrolling, there's just a huge lack of thought or polish in Reddit's app. I think Reddit is just embarrassed that one guy can make an app that's so, so, soooo much better than their slow…

Reddit's problems aren't because of their technology, it's product decisions. Yeah, sure, maybe all their devs suck, but it was managements decision to create the abomination of their new layout to be more instagram-like. Devs aren't putting a million nags to use the official app on their mobile site of their own accord. Devs aren't consistently ignoring moderator issues/complaints. Maybe their devs are jealous of wh…

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Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

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Speaking as an Apollo user for five years, the official app is just terrible. From big problems like confusing/inconsistent navigation and missing video and text formatting options to annoyances like slow/delayed animations and janky scrolling, there's just a huge lack of thought or polish in Reddit's app. I think Reddit is just embarrassed that one guy can make an app that's so, so, soooo much better than their slow…

One guy ? Try ten different or more, from Apollo to Relay to BaconReader every damn one of them is better by a factor of 10x or more than the reddit app, which probably took a team of 20 six months.

Re: Reddit sparks outrage after it demands app developer pay $20M/yr

#80

Speaking as an Apollo user for five years, the official app is just terrible. From big problems like confusing/inconsistent navigation and missing video and text formatting options to annoyances like slow/delayed animations and janky scrolling, there's just a huge lack of thought or polish in Reddit's app. I think Reddit is just embarrassed that one guy can make an app that's so, so, soooo much better than their slow…

They probably have totally different priorities. Apollos only goal is good UI/UX. Reddits is tracking, Ad revenue, prioritizing cached content and who knows what other priorities have been pushed into it.

If their priority is to make money, why wouldn’t they invest in the UX their official app. It’s probably their main revenue stream but it’s so bad that it drives users away to third party clients they can’t monetize. Now instead of actually investing in making their app better and giving users a reason to go back to it they’re blocking third party clients so they don’t need to actually improve their app. It’s a lose-lose for their users and it reflects very poorly on them.

Also it’s not like Reddit doesn’t have the resources to both improve their apps usability and focus on tracking, ad revenue, etc.

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