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Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by dariusj18 »

_Microft wrote: post #22
wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

How do you know that people change their mind so easily? Isn’t it much more likely that the haters and fanboys are different people, commenting on different topics? It’s much easier to hate on a topic like this and much easier to cheer for him when SpaceX had some world-first success.

I, for one, am not one of those. I was never a "fan boy", but I certainly held Musk in esteem. That went away during his obvious decent into narcissistic madness over the last ~5 years.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by aqme28 »

capableweb wrote: post #66
cabaalis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 ) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 ). Then there were others ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 ) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.

I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page.

The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by throwboatyface »

asynchronous wrote: post #11
throwboatyface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

Yeah Uber was acting irresponsibly and almost killed someone. Waymo is acting responsibly and is making progress without putting people in danger. Do you think Tesla is more like Waymo or Uber?

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by lgrebe »

coldpie wrote: post #19
wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

Telling loads of lies and committing massive amounts of fraud will do that to one's reputation, yes.

Has he though? If you read the headlines defiantly. If you read the follow up reports, no not so much.

Maybe I’m missing something though. Would you mind expanding what exactly you had in mind when writing this?

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by Vermeulen »

aqme28 wrote: post #46
Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him. But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

Good to see - when I posted this every comment was about Musk. I guess it just takes time on Hackernews to filter the worthwhile discussions to the top

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by capableweb »

aqme28 wrote: post #72
capableweb wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 ) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 ). Then there were others ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 ) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.

I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.

Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it)

You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment.

(also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by rtkwe »

lgrebe wrote: post #74
coldpie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling loads of lies and committing massive amounts of fraud will do that to one's reputation, yes.

Has he though? If you read the headlines defiantly. If you read the follow up reports, no not so much. Maybe I’m missing something though. Would you mind expanding what exactly you had in mind when writing this?

For one Full Self Driving is shaping out to be one massive bit of vaporware after being just around the corner for about eight plus years now. For the task of actual autonomous navigation Musk's gamble on going camera only looks like it's not going to pan out any time soon, the only groups getting close have LIDAR plastered all over their vehicles. That was something people at the time were saying too so it's not just the benefit of hindsight letting us say that. There were loads of people at the time saying camera-only was not a functional path to early Autopilot.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by rtkwe »

_Microft wrote: post #22
wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

How do you know that people change their mind so easily? Isn’t it much more likely that the haters and fanboys are different people, commenting on different topics? It’s much easier to hate on a topic like this and much easier to cheer for him when SpaceX had some world-first success.

Anecdotally I used to think he was actually pretty smart and at the least good at building businesses around good ideas back when Tesla was relatively young and SpaceX was his only other really large venture. In the decade since though my impression has really soured. I'd hesitate to call myself a fan-boy of Musk ever though.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by HDThoreaun »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #65
luismmolina wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you quadriplegic/paraplegic? I'm sure that will influence you decision

Are you knowledgeable in medical ethics? It’s well known that it’s unethical to be offering experimental treatments, even to desperate patients, that don’t have at least the very low bar of “does this cause immediate death or serious life worsening of animal models, does this appear to have any benefit in animal models”. There was in fact a whole scandal about this recently with artificial tracheas. Living with a tub…

Imagine claiming to have a monopoly on ethics.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by aqme28 »

capableweb wrote: post #76
aqme28 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.

Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it) You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment. (also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which aga…

Why do you need me to prove this to you?

Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz

You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.

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