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Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by cabaalis »

aqme28 wrote: post #46
Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him. But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by bearmode »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

Elon was always a fraud and a liar. As he became more outspoken on social media, more people were exposed to what he actually is.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by noobermin »

Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

The truth is that his ideas were always about his personality. Even the hyperloop he conceived because he wanted to dampen the CA HSR project and his general distate of public transit. Being someone who cared about public transit keyed me into the fact that he wasn't to be trusted quite early compared to everyone else.

This is the risk you drive with "great men" idols in any space, that's why it's always safest to talk about ideas and technologies themselves.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by bigbillheck »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

I've considered him to be a fraud and a liar for many years now, I'm not going to begrudge anybody for figuring this out only recently.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

#65

Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

luismmolina wrote: post #31
gigatexal wrote: post #3

Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything in my head.

Are you quadriplegic/paraplegic? I'm sure that will influence you decision

Are you knowledgeable in medical ethics? It’s well known that it’s unethical to be offering experimental treatments, even to desperate patients, that don’t have at least the very low bar of “does this cause immediate death or serious life worsening of animal models, does this appear to have any benefit in animal models”.

There was in fact a whole scandal about this recently with artificial tracheas. Living with a tube in your throat to breathe is a horrible way to live, but the people who got artificial ones died horrible and slow deaths because they evidence of their efficacy in mouse models were forged through a cult of personality of the head researcher and the promise of potential life changing gains.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by capableweb »

cabaalis wrote: post #61
aqme28 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him. But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by noobermin »

kypro wrote: post #44
stephc_int13 wrote: post #8

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> Not sure if this is because of his alleged Asperger or something but I sometimes wonder if the the dude is able to separate facts from fiction. Is this even an aspie trait? Speaking as an aspie myself I'd guess it's more to do with empathy. I tend to have a less instinctive and more rational sense of empathy, and I've noticed other aspies are similar. You could convince me that potentially harming humans is a net-g…

Don't give bigoted neurotypicals oxygen. His bad behavior and lack of empathy is likely a him issue more than it is a neurodivergence issue.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #25
jeromegv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.

FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.

I guess my concern with this is the FSD, while not technically available to the general public, is still going to effect the general public given that if it's a buggy beta test it'll be buggy on public roads.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by Ekaros »

noobermin wrote: post #63
Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

The truth is that his ideas were always about his personality. Even the hyperloop he conceived because he wanted to dampen the CA HSR project and his general distate of public transit. Being someone who cared about public transit keyed me into the fact that he wasn't to be trusted quite early compared to everyone else. This is the risk you drive with "great men" idols in any space, that's why it's always safest to ta…

And the whole hyperloop makes me sad on general state of understanding of engineering. At least it is so big project that demo models just fail to work or scale up so money is only thing that will be wasted.

Neuralink is something that could kill people. And with manned space travel at least buyers that is agencies have enough rigor to ensure it is good before going forward.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by __s »

litiholofan wrote: post #24

>The regulator said the company needed to do animal testing to show the battery was very unlikely to malfunction, which could damage brain tissue. >Another reportedly serious concern from the FDA was that the implant's tiny wires—which are thinner than individual human hairs—could migrate into the brain, potentially causing inflammation, rupturing blood vessels, and impairing brain function. The FDA was also concerne…

Closed source. Imagine needing a firmware update for a neuralink device after the manufacturer has dropped support. Consumer open source tends to support devices longer than consumer closed source
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