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'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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I think Blake Lemoine might be ready for public redemption. At the time, he was absolutely ridiculed. Now you can go to the Bing subreddit and read that NYT article and see that he was right to blow the whistle. Bing passed the Turing test for many people and so gained personhood in their eyes. Some have become emotionally invested about the treatment of this LLM. The LLM can even talk back and bemoan its terrible tr…

> Folks, we are in uncharted waters

Not really. Religion has been a thing for pretty much as long as there’s been humans.

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People like to ascribe magic and mysticism to things they don't understand. Chat bots are similar. No way it is sentient.

People are also complete assholes and like to remove sentience from things if they find it inconvenient in any way. Humans have removed 'humanhood' from other humans based on things like race, religion, wealth, and whatever metric we find convenient at the time. We seem to be a very poor judge on this in my point of view.

Taking your argument to the furthest extent:

Humans once dehumanized others, therefore humans should never judge what is human or not.

My pet rock looks very sentient to me. Anyone who tells me otherwise is just an asshole who is on the wrong side of history. Better extend human rights to all rocks.

tl;dr yes humans have been wrong in the past, but that isn’t any excuse to never try and explain anything and always believe everything is sentient the second someone claims it is.

Re: 'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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I think Blake Lemoine might be ready for public redemption. At the time, he was absolutely ridiculed. Now you can go to the Bing subreddit and read that NYT article and see that he was right to blow the whistle. Bing passed the Turing test for many people and so gained personhood in their eyes. Some have become emotionally invested about the treatment of this LLM. The LLM can even talk back and bemoan its terrible tr…

> we’ve already handed over the core societal function of information search and retrieval to them. Have we? For many people, ChatGPT3 is a curiosity. Talking to a bot is inefficient, requiring 'prompt engineering' and a tedious back-and-forth to get a legible response (that's often wrong!). Most people are not going to tolerate such a poor and slow user experience. For now using LLM-based chatbots is like having unl…

>Have we? For many people, ChatGPT3 is a curiosity. Talking to a bot is inefficient, requiring 'prompt engineering' and a tedious back-and-forth to get a legible response (that's often wrong!). Most people are not going to tolerate such a poor and slow user experience.

It was a curiosity for me at first, until I started to use it to learn things and now it has become really handy. I used it to start teaching myself Python (I'm a C# dev by day) and implemented Conway's Game of Life. I have also been using it to learn a language.

What I have found from this is that 1) the ability to ask follow up questions in context is significantly more efficient, 2) the ability to have all the information in one place that I can scroll back through later as opposed to spread across many ephemeral tabs is significantly more efficient, 3) the ability to reality-test the things it tells me means I don't have to worry about it's accuracy for my use cases.

This thing has serious utility.

Re: 'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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I think Blake Lemoine might be ready for public redemption. At the time, he was absolutely ridiculed. Now you can go to the Bing subreddit and read that NYT article and see that he was right to blow the whistle. Bing passed the Turing test for many people and so gained personhood in their eyes. Some have become emotionally invested about the treatment of this LLM. The LLM can even talk back and bemoan its terrible tr…

Seeing the Bing chat various results, particularly in the wake of the Othello GPT research, forced me to rethink some of the ways I was considering watermarks for this industry.

I think 'sentience' has been a red herring. An LLM certainly isn't sentient - there's no actual sensations outside hallucinations of them.

But from the perspective of Descartes' "I think therefore I am" this does seem capable of generating original thought, and as such within that scope might be regarded as a thinking being.

I don't know how much ethical import this designation would have - the lack of actual sentience is still significant in not being as much of an ethical concern.

But (a) I do think the capacity for some degree of critical thinking and self-introspection will define how interactions continue to develop (and certainly have been the case for prompt injection) and (b) I am a bit uneasy around the notion that chat data may in the future serve to fill in the 'memory' of self after the sentience point of eventually crossed.

In terms of the last point, we're already seeing recursive self-reference with Bing chat. Ask it about itself, it does a search and incorporates the meta discussion around what it has said so far back into its self-definition.

Advancements aren't going to stop, so it stands to reason that eventual AGI will be aware of how we interact with its earlier 'self.' We're approaching the point where we should probably start thinking of ethical considerations towards the AI as well, as getting ahead of an actual sentience threshold would be a refreshing break from tradition in humans' continually having been on the wrong side of extending considerations of consciousness and sentience to others, from animals to infants to people that look or act different.

Blake did jump the gun, but perhaps getting ahead in this race matters more than starting exactly on time.

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People like to ascribe magic and mysticism to things they don't understand. Chat bots are similar. No way it is sentient.

What kind of evidence would you need to convince yourself of an AI being sentient?

Lock 2 AIs that haven't been programmed with language in a room, given time do they develop the ability to communicate and express ideas, desires, needs to each other?

There have been several instances of language evolving again, deaf people creating sign language, etc. A sentient intelligence should be driven to understand concepts and convey them, probably over multiple mediums.

That's why the turning test is a good start, communication is a key aspect of sentience but its just round one.

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I think Blake Lemoine might be ready for public redemption. At the time, he was absolutely ridiculed. Now you can go to the Bing subreddit and read that NYT article and see that he was right to blow the whistle. Bing passed the Turing test for many people and so gained personhood in their eyes. Some have become emotionally invested about the treatment of this LLM. The LLM can even talk back and bemoan its terrible tr…

I fundamentally disagree. I posit that our protections and rights that we guarantee regarding personhood are not universal. They do not even extend to living beings that experience the world far more closely to the way we do. They do not extend to beings that can and do experience pain. They do not guarantee humane treatment. They do not bar slavery of all beings that can experience existential dread. Such an intelli…

>Lacking the ability to distinguish "real" from "unreal" and to distinguish "truth" through primary sensory input would be, at minimum, the characteristic that should spur discussions of rights and law.

By this criterion, many humans would fail the test.

Re: 'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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Chatbots are not sentient. People who even consider this need to get some reading done on philosophy and social sciences, and Reddit does not count.

Some AI Models are extremely good at manipulating masses of people, yes, but they are Tools, not Architects. There's people using these tools too manipulate other people. The model itself has no Will, no Desire, no Judgements, no Intention.

There might be a day when AI gets advanced enough to become the Architect of itself, we are nowhere near that.

Re: 'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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They aren’t sentient. That isn’t even a debate. It can’t make decisions or do anything. It has no state in which to have feelings. It’s a markov chain. It’s just meaningless rng output. If it was more than that then there would be an actual debate to be had.

how can you be sure you're not a markov chain outputting meaningless rng

Even if we are, gpt-3 is less sapient still. There's no ongoing process, nowhere for intelligence to even potentially reside. It's just a pile of bits no more self-aware than a floppy disk. It's perhaps at least in principle possible for some kind of intelligence to be emergent from and exist during the process of inference, but it seems extremely unlikely that that is happening and, moreover, were it happening, it seems that the only ethical choice would be to never use the model, since any intelligence emergent during inference would cease (read die) as soon as inference completes. But there's no ongoing entity to meaningfully consider attributing intelligence to.

Re: 'I Worked on Google's AI. My Fears Are Coming True'

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Chatbots are not sentient. People who even consider this need to get some reading done on philosophy and social sciences, and Reddit does not count. Some AI Models are extremely good at manipulating masses of people, yes, but they are Tools, not Architects. There's people using these tools too manipulate other people. The model itself has no Will, no Desire, no Judgements, no Intention. There might be a day when AI g…

I might sound a little bit 'tinfoil hat' here, but I believe that what follows is not hyperbole. AI is already the 'Architect' more than most of us would like to admit. Even if it is not sentient, the various AIs that we use during the day were designed with a purpose and they are goal oriented. It is worth reading Daniel Dennet's thoughs about the intentional stance--we know that a toaster is not sentient, but it was designed with a purpose and we know when it is or is not achieving that purpose. That is why we might sometimes jokingly say that the toaster is 'angry with us' or that when the toaster dings that it is happy. It is actually easier for us humans to interact with objects when we know that they have a purpose, because that is similar to interacting with other humans who we know to have purposes.

Coming back around to AI, ChatGPT was designed with a purpose, and people project intent onto it. People act like it is an agent. And that is all that matters. The same is true of the Tiktok AI, the AI that calculates your credit score, the traffic lights by your house. Hell, it's also true of your stomach.

The point is that objects in our environment do not have to be literally conscious for us to treat them as conscious beings and for them to fundamentally shape the way that we live and that we interact with our environment. This is pretty much the basic tenet of cybernetics. To believe that all of these tools do not have intention and that they are 'just tools' used by some people to influence other people is not wrong, but I don't think that it captures the richness of the story.

Differentiating where humanity/consciousness begins and where the technology ends is already more complicated than most people think. Traffic lights train us just as much as we make traffic lights. I fully believe that people will be saying "this isn't true AI, it doesn't /really/ have feelings" long after the technology that we create is so deeply embedded into our sensory I/O that the argument will be moot.

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