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Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by Atheros »

zozbot234 wrote: post #65
1attice wrote: post #63

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Dude I'm literally gay. Do you think your kids need to be "protected" from knowing I exist? Is knowing stories featuring gay people a form of sexualization? This is the thinking that rubberized playgrounds. Your precious children are in the world. Deal with it. -- EDIT: @dang has established that I'm 'posting too fast' every 37 minutes. Dang, we see you. Here's my reply: Because some of those children are like me and…

Do you think kids honestly care in the least about anyone's sexual preferences or orientations? They haven't even started to approach the timeframe for going through that kind of biological development. Some things should just be kept private by default and reserved for whenever more nuanced discussion becomes possible, with proper content warnings being given beforehand. Let's not sexualize people without meaningful…

GP asked two very simple yes/no questions. I think you should answer them before he answers yours.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by pvaldes »

Florida teachers may consider to fight the origin of the problem, join in a political party and return some of the pain to all the George Santos wannaqueenbees. Teachers have at least a real curriculum to show.

The goal is not so much about winning than as reducing the voters pool offering an option that does not look like a freakshow. The problem would self-resolve in hours.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by sagarm »

xrd wrote: post #64
spamuel wrote: post #23

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The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc. This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer"…

I'm triggered by what you say here. First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question. Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has? I've not read it,…

> the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits

Religious and conservative groups have been trying to cancel sex ed pretty consistently, so I suppose the opposition to this book is not surprising.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by zozbot234 »

Atheros wrote: post #71
zozbot234 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think kids honestly care in the least about anyone's sexual preferences or orientations? They haven't even started to approach the timeframe for going through that kind of biological development. Some things should just be kept private by default and reserved for whenever more nuanced discussion becomes possible, with proper content warnings being given beforehand. Let's not sexualize people without meaningful…

GP asked two very simple yes/no questions. I think you should answer them before he answers yours.

GP's questions are contingent on the definition of "gay", which most people would see as inherently sexual. After all, there's many people who routinely have close-knit, usually pair-bonded affectionate relationships with unrelated people of the same sex. Such as (to take the clearest examples available to us) the compadres and comadres of present-day Latin America and the Mediterranean or, historically, the 'blood brothers' of ancient tribal cultures in Eurasia and elsewhere. But these relationships do not usually involve a sexual component, and thus are not considered "gay". In other respects though, they're essentially indistinguishable from affectionate relationships between people not of the same sex. It's a mistake to think that "gay" relates to anything other than the sexual.

Would I object to an elementary school book featuring two compadres or comadres who deeply care for each other and teach the value of enduring friendship and affection? Of course not. But that's a far cry from outright depiction of sexual practices.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by mcphage »

throwawaywu wrote: post #58
woodruffw wrote: post #28

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None of the things you've enumerated are policy positions of the DNC, at either the state or the federal levels. This comes off more as a laundry list of grievances than a reasoned political position.

No political party is going to say the quiet parts out loud.

I think we’re seeing the Florida Republican Party being pretty loud about the quiet parts right here.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

xrd wrote: post #68
spamuel wrote: post #66

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I've read it. If it's not for children, why is it in school libraries? The problem is not that it exists. The problem is that it is being put in school libraries. If you read it you will likely see why. It literally has graphical depictions of children engaging in what would be considered hardcore pornography in any other context. I can self-describe liquor as a "natural sleep aid for young adults", that doesn't chan…

I lived in Japan. They had vending machines that sell liquor and they trust kids not to buy it. It's not a perfect solution. If a six year old kid walked up to check out that book, wouldn't the librarian stop them? I think the answer to that question speaks to whether you believe in "grooming" or not. You really feel like this is hardcore pornography? The images I saw didn't suggest that at all. There are people that…

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

mcphage wrote: post #75
throwawaywu wrote: post #58

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No political party is going to say the quiet parts out loud.

I think we’re seeing the Florida Republican Party being pretty loud about the quiet parts right here.

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by woodruffw »

throwawaywu wrote: post #58
woodruffw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the things you've enumerated are policy positions of the DNC, at either the state or the federal levels. This comes off more as a laundry list of grievances than a reasoned political position.

No political party is going to say the quiet parts out loud.

"Nobody will say what they're really thinking, which I happen to know" is not an argument.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by bmn__ »

jmclnx wrote: post #33

I for one would like to thank Florida for helping the Children of my State. Why ? By teaching "my way or the highway" as opposed to different viewpoints, the poor kids in Florida will not learn critical thinking. FL children will not be able to easily determine the correct action when faced with opposing viewpoints. All they will have is to decide based upon what is in the Bible. So, Thank You FL for helping the chil…

I'm sitting here, thinking: the poor FL children. They are thrown under the proverbial bus, have done nothing to deserve the bad treatment by the state, cannot defend against it, and you in response write something that comes across as gloating or callousness. Where's the compassion?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by pfannkuchen »

Waterluvian wrote: post #34
pfannkuchen wrote: post #31

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Modern education seems pretty geared towards training for: following a strict schedule, having a boss, doing work that appears useless, etc.

Can’t speak for all regions. My Canadian public school experience was quite different.

Are you sure? Most people spend their childhood in a concrete box without realizing there is anything strange about that.
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