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Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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It's almost as if there were a perverse game of political brinkmanship being played among officials to see who can dole out the harsher punishments. What would motivate someone to become a teacher in this climate?

At this point it feels intentional. They don't want a well-educated populace. They want people who aren't capable of reasoning themselves out of a wet paper bag who'll believe anything they say.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #8

It's almost as if there were a perverse game of political brinkmanship being played among officials to see who can dole out the harsher punishments. What would motivate someone to become a teacher in this climate?

Given that it's Republicans, they'd prefer people don't become teachers, and shut down the public system, and then the only teachers would be either as part of churches, or for the ultra wealthy.

The motivation is then ridiculous pay or faith.

That leaves out how Floridans will fare in the American service and knowledge based economy without education, but that's a problem for a different generation

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #10

It seems like they have the freedom to choose books so long as the child isn't exposed to sex and racism.

If a book only featuring white people isn't racist, then a book only featuring black people isn't racist. If a book ending with a prince living happily ever after with a princess isn't about sex, then a book ending with two princes living happily ever after isn't about sex. However, these are not the standards that Florida is applying.

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc.

This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer" in elementary school libraries?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #14

People are so short sighted when it comes to imposing these types of laws. Sure, they get what they want so long as their side is in power. What happens when the Republicans get voted out? Would they be okay with the Democrats having these tools at their disposal?

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> Democrats are doing their worst, while Republicans have been capitulating in their responses for years.

What? Republicans have been embarking on a multi-generational campaign to remove reproductive rights from women (see The Federalist Society), empower corporations over individuals, and make voting harder. How are they "capitulating for years"?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #22
post #8

It's almost as if there were a perverse game of political brinkmanship being played among officials to see who can dole out the harsher punishments. What would motivate someone to become a teacher in this climate?

Given that it's Republicans, they'd prefer people don't become teachers, and shut down the public system, and then the only teachers would be either as part of churches, or for the ultra wealthy. The motivation is then ridiculous pay or faith. That leaves out how Floridans will fare in the American service and knowledge based economy without education, but that's a problem for a different generation

The uneducated make great voters and even better workers.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #20

Teachers should buy a locked glass cabinet and make sure it's lit well and titled, "banned information the politicians in charge don't want you to know."

Gonna be a lot of books about sexual dimorphism and crime statistics in there.

Which states felonize these, exactly?

Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency.

Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #14

People are so short sighted when it comes to imposing these types of laws. Sure, they get what they want so long as their side is in power. What happens when the Republicans get voted out? Would they be okay with the Democrats having these tools at their disposal?

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None of the things you've enumerated are policy positions of the DNC, at either the state or the federal levels. This comes off more as a laundry list of grievances than a reasoned political position.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gonna be a lot of books about sexual dimorphism and crime statistics in there.

Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

Showing pornography to children? Presumably all states.

Oh, you meant on sexual dimorphism and crime statistics? None. It's not even clear that Florida now criminalizes those discussions. But you would certainly be fired in California if you dared to biologically define human beings, or discuss incarceration rates as a product of criminal tendency.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gonna be a lot of books about sexual dimorphism and crime statistics in there.

Which states felonize these, exactly? Just because you'd like to turn this into both sides, doesn't mean it is. The extremists running most of the south don't even bother with even a fig leaf of consistency. Not that it's a new phenomena. The founding fathers were throwing shade on this, with Jefferson calling it: "zealous of their own liberties but trampling on those of others".

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.
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