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Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Sure, that's the easy answer. But you must have a legal framework in which to do so. Otherwise, what do you have?

the legal framework is eminent domain

Not even close.

If anyone tried to use it to do that, everyone would regret it.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Yeah, it's not a good look, especially since California is the only state that is adjacent to the ocean. Not only that, renewables like solar are perfect for desalination as you don't really need one of these systems to be running around the clock.

>> California is the only state that is adjacent to the ocean That's interesting, I had no idea.

best intent assumption that they meant "of the states having water shortages in the southwest". The other 2 on the coast are OR and WA and they are not dependent on the colorado for water, they have their own massive river.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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>>I get it, I'm an anarchist. > Doubtful There's pragmatic anarchism - the belief in the concepts that some facets of anarchy is good : i.e. less reliance on a central govt and hierarchies, perhaps instead some system where 90% of your tax money has to be spent w/in 100 miles of your home, the rest can be fought over between the State+Federal. Make states more like EU countries, etc. Instead of full socialism - just…

What does that have to do with the Colorado River Compact again?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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> it's not humans that are consuming the vast majority of potable water, but companies and industry that are depleting what's available for the rest of us. companies only make what they can sell. The sell what consumers want. So it is humans. Humans want meat. If they stop wanting meat companies will stop making meat.

A huge reason companies use so much water is that it's artificially cheap. Companies typically pay 10% or less of the cost per gallon a resident does in their home.

Usually because the grade and location of the water is not suitable for residential use.

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Is the chip industry in these metrics? Big Intel plant being built in Ohio on land which had been farms. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/30/intel-i... "The average semiconductor fab uses somewhere between 2 million and 4 million gallons of water per day"

Aren’t many of these fabs self-contained - ie they “use” a lot but treat and then re-use it

No, they usually don’t reuse the water

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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“One way or another, physics and Mother Nature are going to dictate outcomes if we don’t come up with some solutions,” Entsminger said. “I would like every water user on the Colorado River to recognize that the 21st century has substantially less water than the 20th century. And all of the institutions we built in the 20th century need to be adjusted — in months, not years — in order to face the reality of less water…

Aka, won’t happen voluntarily, but may happen anyway - with associated pain and complaints for this impacted.

Sounds about right.

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> I get it, I'm an anarchist You may need to read up the definition of that word

My guy, I've spent a decade reading up on that word. You want to talk Bookchin, Kroptkin, or Öcalan I'm available any time. Respect to my anarchist comrades who are all or nothing, but I recognize the current system we live in, and I'm not going to throw away the useful tools before replacing them.

An anarchist who promotes the government taking rights by force?

Im a communist who loves free markets!

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Wow, this has gotten bad fast. I did some reading on the water shortage in the Southwest the last time I saw a story about it on the FP, and came away with the idea that this is a classic coordination trap, and the only solutions are a) everyone involved spontaneously decides to conserve water in unison, and b) the Feds enact quick, decisive regulations that almost no one (the states involved, counties and cities, de…

None of the players want the feds involved, including the feds near as I can tell.

It’s got lose-lose-lose written all over it.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Aren't there passageways left over from the dam's construction that could be dynamited to restore the normal flow of the river? Given that the reservoir no longer serves a purpose it seems like that would be the most sensible approach at this point.

It has no purpose right now. Next year might be flooding, and then you’d better believe everyone wants it.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Yea, the OP said federal legislators should do something. The constitution provides them a legal framework for writing laws.

The current setup is strongly based on historic water rights laws. Touching that would be opening a giant Pandora’s box few legislators want to handle. And with how broken Congress is in general, do ANY of the states involved think that would produce a better outcome?

Yes of course congress is a mess and intervention will have major consequences, but the alternative seems to be everyone stands around watching the water dry up.
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