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Wow I was making shit up but the real invention is actually quite close. "The world's first karaoke machine, the Juke-8, was built by Japanese inventor and musician Daisuke Inoue in 1971. But it is Filipino inventor Roberto del Rosario who holds the machine's patent. He developed the Karaoke Sing-Along System in 1975."

Why are you posting things you made up?

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Does it have an option to enable blocky white-on-blue text, and some sort of incredibly fiddly and awkward UI, for that authentic karaoke experience?

Anything less than a bury, cheesy, bouncing ball that follows the current lyric is failure.

The ball is so distracting, much easier to sing by reading each lyric completely and then feeling out the beat

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I'm kind of disappointed at the priorities of these streaming services. I guess I'm not in the mainstream, music-consumption-wise.

After all, it makes sense. If you want to engage subscribers to your service, what else would you do? How most people engage with recorded music? Well, they just… sing along…

I'm also curious (like some on this thread) how they are technically separating the vocals. Is this yet another proprietary music format that artists have to mix/master to? (Like spatial audio)

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This looks really cool, and it'll be interesting to see how artists and producers react. Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Although it's possible to isolate vocals some of the time from mixes, using stereo separation (the vocals are often the only component that is 100% center mixed), filtering, and even AI techniques ... none are perfect. I wonder if this will have the…

Wait, there are Karaoke machines that can transpose songs?

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People will definitely rip no-vocal versions out of there (if they are good quality, that is). I see some pretty neat implications:

- Young artists can (illegally) use beats by popular producers. Young producers can listen to various tracks and better understand some techniques that were shadowed by vocals before.

- More bootleg remixes of popular tracks. Things that weren't possible by just slicing and sampling the track would suddenly be possible, too.

- Better music stemming / demixing ML models. I believe right now the baseline is Spleeter by Deezer [1], which is pretty good but leaves so much room for improvement.

[1]: https://github.com/deezer/spleeter

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What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

At a guess: 1) Perhaps they don’t want to trigger a different licensing model (on either the music or the lyrics) that applies specifically to karaoke devices and venues. Just a guess, not a music lawyer, but all sorts of unexpected terms apply to music licensing (such as streaming TV services not being able to use music from the original TV broadcast) 2) Perhaps they don’t want to associate with the karaoke “brand”…

I suspect the second is exactly right. Apple is extremely careful about how their products are perceived as elite and cool and it’s easy to imagine their marketing department thinking the word “karaoke” just evokes an uncool or unsophisticated vibe.

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Weird that this is new. I’ve seen it multiple times over the past few months. Maybe I got opted into a test group or something. I activated it by accident several times and ignored it because I primarily use Apple Music when I’m driving.

Yeah, you’re right, I may have just seen regular lyrics and this adds some features (alternate singing positions and speed). So, it’s an enhancement to the existing lyrics feature.

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Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

Karaoke usually implies no or suppressed vocal channel in the audio mix, doesn't it? It's "sing along" as it's still the original mix, I suppose.

edit: I missed the "adjustable vocals" in the list of features. No idea then. Footnote says "The vocal slider adjusts vocal volume, but does not fully remove vocals."

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Interesting yet very anti-competitive move by Apple.

There are lots and lots of existing providers of karaoke tracks: these invest (depending on quality) between several dollars and several hundreds of dollars to record "soundalike" tracks

Sales of such tracks do not generate royalties for the original performer, but do pay out to the composer (per track sale and for things like public performance).

Apple is now garroting these middlemen using technology, and most likely using this capability as leverage in negotiating with recording artists ("hey, give us a 14-day exclusive on iMusicOrWhateverWeCallItThisWeek, and we'll kick back an additional point on residuals").

This is bad news for the existing providers, and barely good news for anyone else.

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> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

> either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that.

Discarding old devices and creating new ones destroys the environment and increases pollution. The best device is the device you already own!

Their successful business strategy results in environmental destruction and other issues. Wh

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