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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

Potentially trademark issues?

Re: Apple Music Sing

#52
Does it have an option to enable blocky white-on-blue text, and some sort of incredibly fiddly and awkward UI, for that authentic karaoke experience?

Re: Apple Music Sing

#53
post #2

My daughter is going to love this. Can anyone make out if songs like this are specially mastered with separate vocal channels? I’m guessing they’re not minus ones that someone else has arranged and played. If these are coming from the original artist it’ll be interesting to know if they’re being uploaded as separate vocal channels or if Apple is applying ML to do voice isolation. Do any audio file formats support sep…

My guess is that they're doing it through ML. The old "cancel out the left track with the inverted right track" trick is probably good enough, but I don't see why Apple wouldn't take it one step further. > Do any audio file formats support separate tracks with level info? I don't know what file format audio engineering software uses to store all the track info but my guess is that it's akin to a zip file containing a…

> The old "cancel out the left track with the inverted right track" trick is probably good enough

I've never had this produce good results. It removes major parts of the music, while also not fully removing the vocals.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#54
post #22

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

The old Apple TV 4K can show lyrics today. I’d fully expect it to get this feature. Probably the HD as well. This seems like it might be Apple‘s standard thing of just promoting whatever their newest products are in all communications.

> just promoting whatever their newest products are in all communications.

...which leads to users upgrading their devices

I mean, it's not a bad marketing strategy when most people who can afford an apple device already have 1+

Re: Apple Music Sing

#55

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets. So I wouldn't be surprised if it relies on a particular hardware chip that the older Apple TV simply doesn't have. That has definitely been the case for everything Apple has launched with regards to Spatial Audio.

> It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets.

Just curious: what in the article makes you think that?

Re: Apple Music Sing

#56
This will be a huge hit to Karafun’s subscriber base. I’ve paid for a couple of months before. Having this as part of my Apple Music or One subscription would give me no reason to ever subscribe to it again, assuming feature and library parity.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#58
Do they really have to give a name to every new hardware and software feature they come up with? Especially when the feature in question is just karaoke.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#59
post #47

This could really revolutionize amateur music. Having easy access to instrumental versions of millions of tracks will be huge for remixers, people recording vocal demos, etc. ...well, maybe. I'm sure you won't be able to export the vocal-less versions out to an audio file directly. But you should be able to turn off the vocals and capture the resulting audio by the usual means: loopback audio drivers, analog capture,…

Extracting vocal tracks from songs is something that is done trivially in all audio mixing software out there. This is hardly a "revolution", especially considering Apple isn't even going to let you export the results digitally.

It's been a while since I played around with that, but I remember the results not being super clean.

Is that still the case?

I am assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that Apple has access to multitrack versions of some songs and that for these tracks it will be able to remove the vocals in a pristine way.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#60

Does it have an option to enable blocky white-on-blue text, and some sort of incredibly fiddly and awkward UI, for that authentic karaoke experience?

Anything less than a bury, cheesy, bouncing ball that follows the current lyric is failure.
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