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Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by comprev »

fsflover wrote: post #63
shaldengeki wrote: post #44

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This is an interesting question. Doesn't Signal rather famously not track anything about who you're talking to? Reputational damage to Signal's brand aside, I expect it'd be hard to sell advertisers on a black hole.

You can have advertisements without tracking. See the original TV ads.

The "tracking" was done by monitoring spikes in sales (using a promotional code) and "focus group" interviews from customers.

These days the accuracy of tracking has improved immensely.

Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

monsieurgaufre wrote: post #70
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #65

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Yes, but you need an apple device for facetime, and how many people actually have Duo installed? If your grandma has facebook and all her friends have facebook and all your friends have facebook... how many of them can you move over to Duo (r signal, telegram, matrix,...)?

I used Duo as an example. I fail to see a real difference between a FB account and an iphone. Both serve as a way to connect to a network. Not everyone I know has a FB account, but most of those without a FB account have a cellphone. And frankly, around here (I live near Montreal), the majority have an iphone (and they already have Facetime). I go where (my) people are and they are increasingly not on FB (and IG as w…

Outside of northern america, androids vastly outnumber iphones, especially with nonrich and non-tech-savy (and very-tech-savy) people.

I live in the balkans... if people call someone, they call someone using a phone. If they use any of the internet-call services (from facebook video, to skype, viber calls, whatsapp, duo, etc...), they do it because they either want video with their calls or because the normal calls are expensive (for example, a minute of calling from slovenia (EU) to serbia (non-EU) costs 0.59eur, same for eg. switzerland... calling from serbia/switzerland back home (while roaming) is even worse - 2.65eur/minute).

So, to call people via an app, those people need an app installed (and an account on that app). Since most people here have androids, they don't have duo preinstalled, but most of them use either Viber, facebook (which now serves ads) or whatsapp (which is technically facebook, so ads could come there too).

Yes, i have no problems with setting up a sip server, sharing the credentials over irc and then using wireguard on one side and ipsec on the other to protect the sip session. My mom only knows how to use whatsapp, because that's the only thing she ever needed, because everyone she calls has whatsapp installed. Explaining how to install duo, and then calling my aunts and uncles and telling them why they need duo is a pain in the ass, especially if they're already happy with whatsapp. I have no idea how many old people you know and have dealt with regarding technical stuff, but if you don't believe me, you can try migrating my family to signal... and good luck with that :D

Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by jakecopp »

ceejayoz wrote: post #36
tapoxi wrote: post #32

Look I get that people love to shit on Signal because its not perfect, but this is the main reason I use it to call and message my family. It's a viable alternative to insane shit like Messenger and you should consider having your family members install it. It's incredibly easy to use. Cue someone below me talking about how they set up a Matrix or XMPP server for grandma and its 'so easy' once you get the presence ha…

Is there a reason Signal couldn't put ads in their video call product?

If they did, you wouldn't be able to use a fork or another client because it isn't federated unfortunately.

Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by ShowalkKama »

jakecopp wrote: post #77
ceejayoz wrote: post #36

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Is there a reason Signal couldn't put ads in their video call product?

If they did, you wouldn't be able to use a fork or another client because it isn't federated unfortunately.

that doesn't mean you can't fork the client. See telegram for an example of third party apps without federation

Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by bjkkkjduid »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #66
underyx wrote: post #64

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I don’t understand why you would choose to say “karens” instead of “people”.

Because "Karens" are usually the ones who complain to managers about stuff like this. "People" just say "meh" or complain to a friend or two, and a "Karen" will go through a whole line of managers and complain to all of them.

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Re: Tell HN: Facebook Messenger is testing in-call video ads

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Post by yrgulation »

I am curious tho. How do people expect that these companies pay for the underlying infrastructure? If you dont want to pay a monthly fee, you dont want them to monetise with ads, how do you imagine they cover running costs? I dont like facebook or intrusive ads, but i wouldnt mind paying for a service that lets me connect with friends, make calls, store photos, and join groups, but doesnt sell me ads.
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