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NYC Proposal Offers Cash for Spotting Parking Violations in Bike Lanes

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Re: NYC Proposal Offers Cash for Spotting Parking Violations in Bike Lanes

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Post by andrew991116 »

jondeval wrote: post #22

I find this proposal problematic. There is a world of difference between reporting on a violation in your community because you're a concerned citizen, and directly incentivizing citizens to report on each other. I'm sure you can find some small counter examples, but by and large the US has never had a history of augmenting law enforcement by way of private citizens. We are not a country of snitches.

A similar thing was attempted in Taiwan, and some people ended up quitting their jobs & just drove around with a dash cam all day to report people. It eventually ended because fines & reports skyrocketed & people became furious.

Re: NYC Proposal Offers Cash for Spotting Parking Violations in Bike Lanes

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Post by battery_glasses »

pxmpxm wrote: post #66
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> bike lanes are in now way special in this context If there will always be a shortage of space, we should encourage the activity that uses that space more efficiently. That means bikes over cars.

So your grand idea is to replace commercial delivery traffic in new york city with bicycles?

How about the delivery trucks block car traffic instead of bike traffic.

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Post by mancerayder »

This seems to be part of a general Zeitgeist of removing state enforcement of laws and leaving it to the citizens to police each other.

In the pharmacy now there's plastic casing protecting almost everything - even toothpaste requires a bell and an assistant. Then there are now private security guards that didn't exist before. You can smoke or drink on the subway now and no one will stop you. You can certainly jump the turnstile and no one will stop you (not for a few years). You can rob someone with a threat of violence and you won't end up in jail, not at all.

Again, citizens are expected to police each other. Or, if you're a victim of something it's your fault (and the on that committed the crime needs to be considered in light of inequality, or some other external circumstance).

A bit of a tangent: "De-policing" doesn't actually de police, it just privatizes it, and feed inequality, because the rich will always afford private security (as they always had and will use more of).

Back from the tangent: this is more of the same - normally the state goes around issuing parking tickets and even enforcing traffic laws. Normally. However no one seems to be doing either lately. Especially moving vehicles. Should the citizens be policing each other too?

The suggestion in this thread to "smash car windows in" is part of that Zeitgeist I'm talking about.

Anyone else looking to move to a rural area?

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Post by addicted »

busterarm wrote: post #15

I lived around the corner from Midtown North police precinct and the Midtown Community Court next to it. My whole block was no parking. There is no streetsweeping on the block. It's set up that way so that NYPD and court officials have somewhere to park their personal vehicles. This even though they have a whole gated garage that takes up 1/3 of the block. Instead, for the last (at least) 40 years, the parking scheme…

Manhattan should end street parking, paid or free. Cars are not compatible with a city of its nature and parking is probably the least effective use of that space.

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Post by resoluteteeth »

pxmpxm wrote: post #66
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> bike lanes are in now way special in this context If there will always be a shortage of space, we should encourage the activity that uses that space more efficiently. That means bikes over cars.

So your grand idea is to replace commercial delivery traffic in new york city with bicycles?

UPS is already trying small 4-wheeled bike vehicles in new york: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-06-15/ups-tries-e...

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

pxmpxm wrote: post #66
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> bike lanes are in now way special in this context If there will always be a shortage of space, we should encourage the activity that uses that space more efficiently. That means bikes over cars.

So your grand idea is to replace commercial delivery traffic in new york city with bicycles?

I think a majority of the roads in Manhattan should be closed to cars, and those which remain should be open only to commercial vehicles and individuals who can park in a handicapped parking spot.

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Post by TomSwirly »

busterarm wrote: post #54
j0hnyl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% - it does feel like a massive grift. Also, there are so many useless blocks in this city, especially outside of manhattan where there might be a dense population that has cars, but they're limited to parallel parking, when in fact there's plenty of room to have angled parking if you allow the cars to park halfway on the sidewalk. This is how it's done in many European cities, and even with their sidewalks that a…

European cities typically don't have the same level of crime as NYC's outer boroughs...historically. Angled parking presents a problem when people want to lie in wait to rob you. It's also difficult for street-level cameras to track people. Guaranteed NYC will never do this.

I lived there for thirty years. The idea that slanted parking would lead to a wave of mugging is simply silly.

In reality, crime in New York City is at record lows: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

> It's also difficult for street-level cameras to track people.

And that's another good thing.

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Post by busterarm »

TomSwirly wrote: post #77
busterarm wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European cities typically don't have the same level of crime as NYC's outer boroughs...historically. Angled parking presents a problem when people want to lie in wait to rob you. It's also difficult for street-level cameras to track people. Guaranteed NYC will never do this.

I lived there for thirty years. The idea that slanted parking would lead to a wave of mugging is simply silly. In reality, crime in New York City is at record lows: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm > It's also difficult for street-level cameras to track people. And that's another good thing.

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