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Post by decebalus1 »

leereeves wrote: post #68
decebalus1 wrote: post #67

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Probably (not a legal scholar) but I'm sure it applies to sitting presidents, not former presidents.

But wasn't he President when he took the documents to MAL, or at the very least, when he packed them to go to MAL? Or did he somehow take them after leaving the White House? I don't know what charges the FBI will bring in this case, but for the sake of the nation, I hope they are something more serious than just failing to write a note saying "I authorize myself to take these documents."

> but for the sake of the nation

It honestly does not matter at this point. Remember when Trump said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters"? Still holds up today and he's not even running for anything. The feds can find the most damning evidence of the most heinous crimes and will still not change the minds of the MAGA crowd. We're in the post-reason context right now.

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Post by leereeves »

croon wrote: post #69
leereeves wrote: post #65

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Surely the President has the power to authorize locations and/or declassify documents.

For example, from the Presidential Records Act: > Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing. (emphasis mine) > Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as s…

Yeah, I'm not surprised if Trump didn't follow proper procedures. Disdain for proper procedures is very on-brand.

But the PRA [1] doesn't appear to contain any penalties. What happens when someone disobeys a law that doesn't specify a penalty?

(One section, 2209, does specify a penalty for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts, but that penalty is limited to suspension or reduction in pay, and doesn't apply to the President, only his staff.)

I suspect that all they can do based on the PRA is take the records, and we won't see any further action based on that.

1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/chapter-22

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joezydeco wrote: post #66
codefreeordie wrote: post #51

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"and we have seen time and time again that they're fishing expeditions which achieve nothing" You sure about that? There are at least eight Trump administration individuals convicted of crimes because of those "fishing expeditions", with many more under indictment. And there are others that are still in contempt of congressional subpoenas. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-bannon-associat... And I think it…

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hvl2 wrote: post #63
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Examples of similar raids?

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3594107-the-mar-a-lago...

This article shows a barrage of Democrats not raided on similar warrants and a whole slew of Republicans raided on similarly-flimsy ground.

It's simple: the FBI is the enforcement arm of the democratic party, and it operates transparently as such. It is in no way a legitimate law enforcement agency.l, and performs no legitimate function.

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Post by klyrs »

joezydeco wrote: post #66
codefreeordie wrote: post #51

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"and we have seen time and time again that they're fishing expeditions which achieve nothing" You sure about that? There are at least eight Trump administration individuals convicted of crimes because of those "fishing expeditions", with many more under indictment. And there are others that are still in contempt of congressional subpoenas. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-bannon-associat... And I think it…

The irony here is that the FBI has been going after activists on the left for decades, and only goes after those on the right in the most egregiously extreme cases. So here, we've got trump flagrantly breaking the law and bragging about it on tv for years and when the FBI finally gets off its ass that's "persecution."

Dude operates like a mob boss, or a New York Democrat. Eventually, they're gonna come after you.

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Post by effingwewt »

codefreeordie wrote: post #73
hvl2 wrote: post #62

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Care to explain?

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Oh come on now, this didn't survive a one second google search[1],[2],[3],[4],and their search us terrible.

No wonder my bullshit meter was going off.

[1] https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/henry-cuellar-fbi-ra...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/09/16/former-demo...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-yee/california...

[4] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/fbi/2022/06/22/...

Etc ad infinitum.

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