Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…
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#72Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."
This action and being a "free speech absolutist" are not mutually exclusive. Free speech, refers to public speech, and especially in the context of the state not creating laws / rules that stifle dissent or criticism of the state or those holding public office Free speech does not mean speak anything and it certainly does not mean my speech may not have any downstream effects .
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#73> We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism. This seems like a funny statement to make when your CEO is literally out buying Twitter.
> This seems like a funny statement to make when your CEO is literally out buying Twitter. And apparently putting 90+ hours into Elden Ring, while still insisting to be working 14-20 hour days. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1528576711209766914
Musk does maybe 50 hours of work a week, it's just that it's spread out over time and not 10 hour long shifts like he forces on his employees.
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#74Sounds like SpaceX employees should get a Union to protect all staff if they want to stand up to the boss.
Yeah, unions are not about standing up to the boss . Unions are there to protect worker rights and none of those rights involve questioning the business decisions or administrative decisions of the management. Frankly, worker unions have abused the serious power they hold and have diluted it by protecting slackers. And they have earned their reputations. The job of a worker is to be honest, sincere and be dedicated t…
Tell me you've never seen a union without telling me you've never seen a union.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.
> Activist employees This is a broad term that different people might understand differently. Please define it first, then use it. > politics and religion This is off-topic. The mentioned discussions and disagreements at SpaceX were unrelated to these matters. In general, it is in my opinion dangerous to say that an opinion different than the one of the boss is unwelcome at a company. This is how cults and autocracie…
Not with proof, just hearsay.
This is political.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is sort of a meta comment, but if you look across history the men and women who forced civilization and technology forward were typically gigantic assholes. I'm not sure what to make of that, and Musk definitely is an asshole, but that doesn't mean I don't root for his space company that's finally returned the United States to the stars.
It seems like that because these kind of assholes also wrote the history books (or paid the guys that did)....
Is that what you mean?
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
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The audience can respond any way they like without infringing on the speaker's rights or breaking any laws. It's not a right to work at SpaceX and it's not illegal to fire employees with cause.
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#79Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."
There is no contradiction. Twitter (outward facing) has some of the attributes of public fora. His speech comments were always about public discourse. Not private organizational. In Twitter feed we are all equal. In Twitter internal there is hierarchy.
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#80Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…
Generally OK, but I'm not sure if we should have different perspective for SpaceX considering it's funded by taxpayers' money, it's not out there competing in the free market...