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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

This action and being a "free speech absolutist" are not mutually exclusive. Free speech, refers to public speech, and especially in the context of the state not creating laws / rules that stifle dissent or criticism of the state or those holding public office Free speech does not mean speak anything and it certainly does not mean my speech may not have any downstream effects .

So if I break TOS on Twitter is getting kicked off a downstream effect?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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> We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism. This seems like a funny statement to make when your CEO is literally out buying Twitter.

> This seems like a funny statement to make when your CEO is literally out buying Twitter. And apparently putting 90+ hours into Elden Ring, while still insisting to be working 14-20 hour days. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1528576711209766914

"I work 120 hour work weeks" is CEO speak for "Any time spent in the penthouse I built with company money and in which I occasionally remote work but mostly do lines of cocaine off a hooker's back is work time".

Musk does maybe 50 hours of work a week, it's just that it's spread out over time and not 10 hour long shifts like he forces on his employees.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Sounds like SpaceX employees should get a Union to protect all staff if they want to stand up to the boss.

Yeah, unions are not about standing up to the boss . Unions are there to protect worker rights and none of those rights involve questioning the business decisions or administrative decisions of the management. Frankly, worker unions have abused the serious power they hold and have diluted it by protecting slackers. And they have earned their reputations. The job of a worker is to be honest, sincere and be dedicated t…

>none of those rights involve questioning the business decisions or administrative decisions of the management.

Tell me you've never seen a union without telling me you've never seen a union.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

> Activist employees This is a broad term that different people might understand differently. Please define it first, then use it. > politics and religion This is off-topic. The mentioned discussions and disagreements at SpaceX were unrelated to these matters. In general, it is in my opinion dangerous to say that an opinion different than the one of the boss is unwelcome at a company. This is how cults and autocracie…

Your boss gets accused of something by someone’s friend who told them in confidence, never said anything for years, and then suddenly when your boss does something one side of the political spectrum hates, the other loves, this person goes to the press.

Not with proof, just hearsay.

This is political.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sort of a meta comment, but if you look across history the men and women who forced civilization and technology forward were typically gigantic assholes. I'm not sure what to make of that, and Musk definitely is an asshole, but that doesn't mean I don't root for his space company that's finally returned the United States to the stars.

It seems like that because these kind of assholes also wrote the history books (or paid the guys that did)....

Henry ford wrote a book titled the international Jew.

Is that what you mean?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The audience can respond any way they like without infringing on the speaker's rights or breaking any laws. It's not a right to work at SpaceX and it's not illegal to fire employees with cause.

It's not a right to have a twitter account and it's not illegal to ban a user with or without cause.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

There is no contradiction. Twitter (outward facing) has some of the attributes of public fora. His speech comments were always about public discourse. Not private organizational. In Twitter feed we are all equal. In Twitter internal there is hierarchy.

So what you are saying is that they should have posted this on twitter - then it would have been protected free speech...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Generally OK, but I'm not sure if we should have different perspective for SpaceX considering it's funded by taxpayers' money, it's not out there competing in the free market...

There is a difference between winning (over other private companies) government contracts to provide a service and being “funded by taxpayers money”
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