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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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In the heart of Portland, Oregon. It was safe as fuck before the pandemic. I grew up in Los Angeles and lived in East LA awhile; lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant two years; lived in the Tenderloin for a year (not the way it is now). I've also lived in Prague, Barcelona, Saigon, Bangkok, Sydney (King's Cross, before the fall of it). The total chaos and anarchy of Portland right now is hard to explain. Almost everyone I kno…

That sounds horrendous. I had a friend from Portland that I met kayaking and he made it sound like heaven on earth. I have friends from UK who moved to work at Google (in Washington I guess?) Is there a great re-location of tech staff happening in the US right now? I heard that a lot of people are leaving California including a few friends of mine. Even Joe Rogan moved to Austin and he can handle himself!

Joe Rogan moved to Austin and he can handle himself!

Whatever reasons Joe Rogan had for moving had nothing to do with him fearing for his personal safety. He was almost certainly scared of taxes, not muggers (add joke about the IRS being the worst muggers, here)

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> I was a die-hard liberal progressive two years ago, before I had savage children on drugs waging running melees with rocks and trying to rape each other's girlfriends in front of my house all night. I don’t understand this. It would make me more progressive if I saw that. What are the economic, political, social forces that are causing that? Is it that we are a fair country that treats people with dignity? Or is it…

When politicians run on a progressive platform, institute progressive policies on crime (no bail, avoid prison, no punishment for QOL crime) and then crime goes nuts, I'd think twice about voting for progressive policies too . But I think your point is "no true progressive" - if the policy didn't work, then it's not progressive because progressive policies always work.

Portland is socially progressive but they are not economically progressive. In the word, they’re neo liberal. And I hate to use that term because people don’t truly understand its meaning.

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> I was a die-hard liberal progressive two years ago, before I had savage children on drugs waging running melees with rocks and trying to rape each other's girlfriends in front of my house all night. I don’t understand this. It would make me more progressive if I saw that. What are the economic, political, social forces that are causing that? Is it that we are a fair country that treats people with dignity? Or is it…

When politicians run on a progressive platform, institute progressive policies on crime (no bail, avoid prison, no punishment for QOL crime) and then crime goes nuts, I'd think twice about voting for progressive policies too . But I think your point is "no true progressive" - if the policy didn't work, then it's not progressive because progressive policies always work.

It strikes me that none* of these are "liberal policies" but rather realities that arose in a few West Coast liberal cities that simply couldn't handle the influx of people who came to SF, Portland, Seattle.

* Perhaps no bail, although I think in isolation that's unlikely to be an issue

These areas are always unique because transient and the homeless can live with some degree of year round comfort, so they will be naturally appealing to people who have uncertain housing prospects.

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I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

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Anecdotally when I've taken SSRIs in the past they worked very quickly, what took 2-4 weeks was the side effects to set in. Everyone's response is so different though, I had a friend who was on an identical dose of an identical drug to me and it effectively and lastingly lifted a deep depression in them while it was the real-life equivalent of the Dementor's Kiss for me.

I'm glad these tools exist and do help people, though I do think the potential risks are downplayed in our society.

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> I’m not gonna bother posting any links … only because no one listens. This is why I don’t listen. If you have any sources, please share. I’d be interested.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/026988111037254... The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources. It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper. And even just ligically, if Prozac worked why do we still have all these issues with depression and PTSD?

> The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources.

> It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper.

You are the one making claims. If you aren't going to take the time to back them up with trusted sources don't expect anyone to take your claims seriously.

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> This is not something only I have seen but also something one of the best psychiatrist ever had has seen. This tone is off. This is the tone used politically for the last few years - the tone of: 'Trust me', 'The best people in the world think...' No citations, deliberately saying you won't share links. Or facts. Shame-inducing phrasing like "if you know anything..." Offering points for people who can agree with yo…

Sorry, I mistyped. That should have read "one of the best psychiatrist ever 'I had ever' seen."

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Drug 'em up, mask 'em up, make 'em face their darkest fears. That's the enduring pattern of a lot of "coming of age" initiation rituals across many different cultures. I'm not shocked to see this is the approach an unaccredited drum-beatin' hippie looking couple in beautiful British Columbia tried to carry out.

To say that people with mood disorders are “not facing the darkest fears” is about as primitive and frankly stupid as it gets.

I guess you could benefit from consulting a dictionary on 'to face'.

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>> It would make me more progressive if I saw that. What are the economic, political, social forces that are causing that? [EDIT] TLDR: I never committed crimes or hurt people when I was poor as fuck. When I was 20 I would've maybe thought this. I was a left anarchist, and my leanings are still in that direction. It's not wealth that made me less progressive. I wrote a novel when I was 24 that brought the world down…

Fellow anarchist here who was the Hassled by the feds after 9/11. So you’ve taken up the I’ve pulled myself up with my own bootstraps defense. I don’t demean that at all, but you did not grow up the same way as a 20 year old in your yard did. To be a progressive, and I’m not talking about these progressives that you think you have in the Portland government, is to understand that we all don’t share the same life expe…

You know I just had an argument with three union reps at a bar tonight - basically around the idea that "you were lucky..." but the outcome as phrased by one of them was "individual thoughts don't matter, I have no interest in that. Everything is systemic".

I've staked my entire life on being an individual who won't support a team, a religion, or a social movement (beyond individual points I agree with). I happen to believe that if everyone acted this way, we'd have a lot fewer problems as a society. I refuse to take the side of a movement that claims some holistic righteousnes, just like I refuse to accept religion and race. So on a case-by-case basis, I decide what seems fair. I should note that before that dog-beating kid drove his van into six cars, I went out there with a gun and a six pack of beer which I distributed to his 17 year old homeless friends, who I sat around with while they told me he was a crazy shithead. I think that was what really drove him mental.

Individuals. That's how the world functions. Everything else is theory.

So my rebellion didn't work? It did. I was gassed in the street in 2004 protesting the Iraq war. Everyone hates neocons now and hates that war, don't they? Did I do nothing? An argument is ridiculous if it asks every person to pawn everything they ever did to the next struggle in the future. Portland is a shit show in the real estate market, but where isn't? It's by leaps and bounds the most progressive city in America.

The boomers' homeless and ultimately functional children grew up richer than I did. They need to come halfway and see that acting savage and refusing completely to partake in society is not an ultimately winning strategy. They're not going to win some revolutionary war where they suddenly abolish all private property - and if that's their goal, they've really got to become more coherent and stop doing so much heroin, because I can't even understand what they're saying.

[edit] my contention is that the 20-yo shitting in my yard's problem is that he is spoiled and rich, by every standard I've seen everywhere I've traveled in the world. And that's why I can't relate to the conditions that led to him, or sympathize with his plight.

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> I’m not gonna bother posting any links … only because no one listens. This is why I don’t listen. If you have any sources, please share. I’d be interested.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/026988111037254... The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources. It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper. And even just ligically, if Prozac worked why do we still have all these issues with depression and PTSD?

One of the stupidest replies I've read on HN--well done

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/026988111037254... The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources. It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper. And even just ligically, if Prozac worked why do we still have all these issues with depression and PTSD?

> The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources. > It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper. You are the one making claims. If you aren't going to take the time to back them up with trusted sources don't expect anyone to take your claims seriously.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4592645/

Why does it matter? Even if I do post from "trusted sources" no one takes it seriously. Children continue to be prescribed prozac to this day, and now we have the next prozac; MDMA.

Get someone here with a degree in Psychiatry and they are a "trusted source" still giving out this medicine that doors not work for the vast vast vast majority of people.

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