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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by rtpg »

mngnt wrote: post #59

When I was a kid, we lived in a village in northeastern Slovakia. On the hill above the village there was a farm with a big herd of cows. And every morning at around 5, a tractor would bring a few dozen litres of milk down to a small shack just by our house. People were usually waiting in line already, in a room that stank of rancid milk, to get a liter or two. When we brought the milk home, we'd pour a cup and let i…

If you made cocoa you boiled the milk right? Thats you pasteurizing the milk, right?

I’ll also contend that you probably did get sick but did not put 2 and 2 together at the time (just like how loads of people run around with a cough and a fever and are like “yeah but it’s not COVID”).

The whole “I drink this all the time so it’s fine” is basically the whole point of food sanitation things in general.

High risk stuff is still not going to be a 100% thing, so it’s harder to figure out the correlation without large scale efforts.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by oneepic »

RC_ITR wrote: post #69
mngnt wrote: post #59

When I was a kid, we lived in a village in northeastern Slovakia. On the hill above the village there was a farm with a big herd of cows. And every morning at around 5, a tractor would bring a few dozen litres of milk down to a small shack just by our house. People were usually waiting in line already, in a room that stank of rancid milk, to get a liter or two. When we brought the milk home, we'd pour a cup and let i…

It’s amazing that in a supposedly science-driven forum, an entire set of comments can imply that pasteurization, one of humanity’s great accomplishments, is a folly. People die from drinking raw milk. It is genuinely a risky thing to do. Not everyone will die but enough that society should work hard to limit it as much as possible.

It's just a forum. People share science AND personal stories.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by thehappypm »

ravenstine wrote: post #63
throwawaylinux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?

I kept under-cooking burger patties to the point where they were still raw in the middle and thought "f** it" and ate them anyway. Then I moved on to eating straight raw meat for the novelty of it. I'm not sure that I'd eat raw pork, but supposedly today's regulations have mostly eliminated the possibility of trichinosis. Otherwise, I've found raw meat to be way less hazardous than I was lead to believe. I don't advo…

Rare burgers are really risky.

Steaks are OK because there’s not usually bacteria within a cut of meat (at least not a rotten one). Ground beef is all surface area.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by wbsss4412 »

symlinkk wrote: post #61
wbsss4412 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your question isn’t very clear. Raw milk itself isn’t bad, it’s just very very easy to get contaminated with pathogenic bacteria. Proponents of raw milk claim it has health benefits due to the lack of cooking, both on a chemical level and a bacterial level.

This is such a HN answer. "It's not bad for you, it just makes it incredibly likely to get contaminated with pathogenic bacteria"

I mean I’m not advocating raw milk consumption. I was just trying to give a sober and even handed answer to the question.

Raw milk itself is fine, it’s in fact incredibly nutritious- which is why it’s so difficult to keep it from being contaminated. It’s a great breeding ground for pathogens.

In my mind, anti pasteurization types are like anti vaxx light, they didn’t have to live through times where food borne illnesses ran rampant, and therefore don’t appreciate what our scientific ancestors have blessed us with.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by foogazi »

ravenstine wrote: post #49
inopinatus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want shorter average lifespans? This is how you get them. By ignoring advances in things like food safety. > I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. This kills some people. Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during…

> Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic. That's not even remotely comparable. If someone else could die from drinking raw milk, what business is it of theirs that I choose to drink gallons of it and live to tell the tale? The whole point of the legalization is to legalize the consumption . Did you read the article?

> If someone else could die from drinking raw milk, what business is it of theirs that I choose to drink gallons of it and live to tell the tale?

It’s because we don’t know who will die from it

It’s like seat belts or motorcycle helmets - millions of people will never have a need for them, but they save lives

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by rtpg »

gotaquestion wrote: post #60
throwawaylinux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?

Steak tartare and carpaccio are two raw beef dishes that I love that are common in France and Italy, respectively. There are many others. But American food practices are so awful that it is impossible to eat raw meat here, mostly: some places are careful. That's why cows are pumped full of antibacterials: because they are given growth hormones until their udders rip, and are constantly infected. This doesn't happen i…

(Disclaimer: I roll the dice on steak tartar every once in a while)

While American food standards are definitely worse, it’s a mistake to say that in Europe raw meat is safe. Even in the most rustic of environments there are loads of ways for your raw meat to get messed up. So you’re needing to trust a lot of stuff and are rolling the dice a bit each time.

Of course everything is a dice roll, but turns out cooking meat solves a lot of problems.

Factory farming did not create food poisoning!

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by heavyset_go »

DHPersonal wrote: post #14
ravenstine wrote: post #7

Honestly, I suspect this kind of thing happens as a result of a diet devoid of microbial life and non-denatured proteins. I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. David Blaine (I think) talked about a similar effect from when he practiced swallowing live frogs. He…

Sensitivities do not always decrease with exposure, so I’m not sure if I’d advocate getting ill frequently with the expectation of improvement.

Sometimes they get worse, too, like with cat allergies.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by folli »

elhudy wrote: post #21

I put raw cream in my coffee daily, but don’t have the balls to drink raw milk. That said, it makes fantastic yogurt. I don’t really understand the concept of illegal raw milk though. Why can’t people consume raw milk if they want? If anything, make it illegal to feed to children (except of course, raw breast milk!!)

Why is it illegal to not wear a seat belt in most societies? Why are there limits on lead content in food stuff? Why are there any regulations at all?

Some of the comments in this thread really left my head scratching. Food borne pathogens were a major burden on humankind for millennia, advances in microbiology and hygiene have massively improved the life span. All of that gets belittled in the comments as some minor stomache ache.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by barry-cotter »

Reggie_Walls wrote: post #62
elhudy wrote: post #21

I put raw cream in my coffee daily, but don’t have the balls to drink raw milk. That said, it makes fantastic yogurt. I don’t really understand the concept of illegal raw milk though. Why can’t people consume raw milk if they want? If anything, make it illegal to feed to children (except of course, raw breast milk!!)

I used to get illegal raw milk delivered in the US. I don't think it should be legal for reasons mentioned in the article (poison risk). There are enough alternatives now that prohibition works. Counterarguments? Is there a big need for dairy milk if, say, oat milk or something else can provide the calcium and other vital nutrients Americans usually get from milk?

Oat milk isn’t milk. People don’t want to drink liquidised, filtered and treated oats with added water. They want milk. If you just want something that has some vague similarity to milk that’s cool. If other people want milk then suggesting that something that doesn’t taste like milk, barely looks like milk and has completely different mouthfeel, behavior when cooked and macronutrient profile isn’t very helpful.
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