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A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by dragonwriter »

hereforphone wrote: post #61

To be fair Facebook products ban and censor based on ideology, which is pretty extremist in the traditional (say, 10 years ago) point of view.

> To be fair Facebook products ban and censor based on ideology, which is pretty extremist in the traditional (say, 10 years ago) point of view.

All corporate media (and most media of any kind) has banned and censored based on the owner’s standards, including ideology (whether the owner’s own ideology, their perception of that of the audience or regulators they wanted to curry favor with, or some combination.)

It is neither novel, nor—except to the extent that the ideology itself is—extremist for media to do that.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by freedomben »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #64
freedomben wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are soldiers in the Russian army not Russians? Do you consider members of your country's army to be fellow citizens of your country? Or do you think of them as different?

Let's imagine the issue is about gay people who murder their partners. Reframing it as "against gay people" might be technically true, but factually incorrect.

Thanks that's an interesting point. I'll have to think on that a bit.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by [deleted] »

freedomben wrote: post #13

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by pphysch »

xdennis wrote: post #54
propogandist wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the quote makes it clear that FB is enabling threats against the Russian military (and Russians in the context of war), which would naturally cause the Russian govt to classify them as a hostile actor. the Azov movement is the neo-Nazi organization, which is clear from reporting prior to 2022: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-... https://jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-.…

Not walking meekly into the gas chamber is a hostile action according to the Russians. Russia has neo-nazis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group ), islamists ( Kadyrov's thugs ) and they're planning on having al-Assad's soldiers over to slaughter Ukrainians. The Azov guys are at least doing something good for once: defending people.

The "Wagner = neo-Nazi" narrative appears to be disinformation based on 1 unverified image

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

freedomben wrote: post #57
xdennis wrote: post #40

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> allow violent statements against Russians Nonsense. It's against Russian invaders, which makes complete sense. When they come in to bomb schools and maternity wards how else are you going to stop them without killing them? The Russians are acting like victims even when they're Nazi invaders.

> Nonsense. It's against Russian invaders, Are you saying that "Russian invaders" aren't "Russians" ?

Of course Russian invaders are Russians. But it's against them as invaders, not against them as Russians.

What do you want? A way of opposing the invasion that doesn't involve shooting the invaders? That would be nice, but we don't have one of those. (Putin does - he could order a withdrawal right now if he chose.)

So if we're going to do more than say "tsk, tsk" in response to the invasion, it's going to involve killing invaders. And those invaders happen to be Russians, so it's going to involve killing Russians - not because they're Russians, but because they invaded Ukraine.

This is all really obvious. I can't tell if you're just being super pedantic, or if you're trying to obscure reality.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by Dharmat55 »

mrits wrote: post #33
freedomben wrote: post #13

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

FB did not "play into their hands". Facebook made a sane decision that most corporations are incapable of making. You don't want to ban Ukrainians for talking about killing Russian soldiers, it should be encouraged.

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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by true_religion »

freedomben wrote: post #60
darthrupert wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling for death to Russian invaders or dictator Putin is not russophobia, so that whole argument falls flat right there. If the distinction is unclear to you, here's a quick tip: if somebody hates you for what you are, that's racism (or some other form of deplorable hatred). If someone hates you for what you do, that's not racism.

I never said it was russophobia. that was a quote from the court. > If the distinction is unclear to you, here's a quick tip: if somebody hates you for what you are, that's racism (or some other form of deplorable hate). What if somebody hates you for something that another person of your race did, but that you personally didn't do, especially if you personally radically oppose it? Is that racism?

Sure that’s racism. However, I don’t see much evidence of radical opposition to war from people in the Russian military.

And even if there were some, it would still be fine to call for a fight against the majority who are obediently serving.

Merely having an ethnicity, can’t be your shield if your military sieges cities and bombs them.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by simion314 »

tpmx wrote: post #38
freedomben wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP's argument is legit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...

Did you even read beyond the headline? “As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules, like violent speech such as ‘death to the Russian invaders’. We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,” Meta said in a statement.

>Did you even read beyond the headline?

I am guilty, I will do better next time.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by Dharmat55 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42
NoGravitas wrote: post #3

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> Technically, they are not wrong They are absolutely, technically and materially, wrong. Calls to arms to resist an invader is close to the opposite of extremism. It’s survival. A correcting force back towards the status quo. Extremism, by definition, seeks to change the status quo.

Politely pointing out that your argument also justifies any and all White nationalist extremism in Europe, North America, Oceania, etc in opposition to demographic replacement.
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