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A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
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> Technically, they are not wrong
They are absolutely, technically and materially, wrong.
Calls to arms to resist an invader is close to the opposite of extremism. It’s survival. A correcting force back towards the status quo. Extremism, by definition, seeks to change the status quo.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#43Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
They didn't allow that, they only allowed attacks on Russian soldiers.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#44Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
> ...change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians.
Yeah, that's not what happened.
Not sure what your deal is, but you yourself know that's not what happened given your own quote.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#45Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
> allow violent statements against Russians Nonsense. It's against Russian invaders, which makes complete sense. When they come in to bomb schools and maternity wards how else are you going to stop them without killing them? The Russians are acting like victims even when they're Nazi invaders.
I don't think[1] FB had any problem with banning people who made 'violent statements'[2] against coalition forces in, say, Iraq.
There is an obvious contradiction in social media rules about violence. Encouraging violence = bad. A politician encouraging violence (By drumming up support for a war) = good. Wishing death and ruin upon our soldiers = bad. Wishing death and ruin upon enemy soldiers = good.
It's perfectly fine to be partial about this sort of thing (Facebook does not exist in some weird non-political, non-aligned space - it is an American company, with a large overlap with a broadly western worldview), but once you are, you do need to accept that you are serving as a propaganda organ.
[1] But I don't know for sure.
[2] I mean, there's a wide range of things that are encompassed by this.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however: “We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),” ... Meta…
the quote makes it clear that FB is enabling threats against the Russian military (and Russians in the context of war), which would naturally cause the Russian govt to classify them as a hostile actor. the Azov movement is the neo-Nazi organization, which is clear from reporting prior to 2022: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-... https://jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-.…
I think your comment is helpful, but your username does make it more interesting :-D
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#47Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
FB did not "play into their hands". Facebook made a sane decision that most corporations are incapable of making. You don't want to ban Ukrainians for talking about killing Russian soldiers, it should be encouraged.
Would you want to ban Afghans from talking about killing American soldiers?
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#48EU banned RT.com, russia is banning facebook.
If we consider putin atleast a bit a dictator, banning foreign media (=propaganda) is a thing dictators do.
EU, somewhat not being considered a dictatorship, banning foreign media (=propaganda) sets a nasty precedent.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#49Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
> ...change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians. Yeah, that's not what happened. Not sure what your deal is, but you yourself know that's not what happened given your own quote.
Are soldiers in the Russian army not Russians? Do you consider members of your country's army to be fellow citizens of your country? Or do you think of them as different?
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#50Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
You're trying to unfairly paint Facebook as having crossed a Rubicon with this decision. If the rules banned any exhortation to or glorification of violence, recruiting ads for the armed forces would have never been permitted. If Facebook forced itself to be blind to the difference between criminal violence and acts of war, Al Qaeda, Isis, and extra-legal militia groups would have been allowed to advocate for their violent ends.
There is nuance to take account of here, and "just stating facts" is either a naive or disingenuous way to engage.