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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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scotty79 wrote: post #57
older wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know which ones of those Russians oppose Putin? Just by asking and trusting that they are being honest? Those opposing Putin are a small minority, most of them are supporting the war even those in academia. Check these ratings: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ Also, they are not risking much by being in opposition. That girl who protested couple of days ago during live broadcast on Russian TV got fined $2…

I think in Russians living abroad majority might oppose Putin or at least want nothing to do with him. I imagine hating Putin and the country he created might be one of the more common reasons of living abroad.

From my experience it is much bigger share of Russians living abroad who oppose Putin, and I've met many at demonstrations, but it is not a majority. I'd say 50/50. Still much better share compared to those living in Russia (including my relatives).

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by scotty79 »

ratg13 wrote: post #17
fxtentacle wrote: post #14

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Refugees don't typically get work visas, being a refugee is meant to be a temporary situation. Most likely these workers are working as remote contractors as people still 'based' in Ukraine. (ukraine bank accounts, etc.) It is much easier to wire money to a ukranian bank account than one in Syria, due to sanctions and other reasons.

Job market in Poland is open to refugee workers and education system is opened to their children. They'll be even getting PESEL which is national identification number in Poland that citizens get.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by have_faith »

csmpltn wrote: post #50
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

> Where do you draw the line

There is no universal logical line. It is also very patronising to try and tell a cultral group of people who they should or shouldn't consider their neighbour. This isn't to say comparisons shouldn't be drawn between the different scenarios just that doing so while proposing that the solution is racism (or similar) will lead to nothing consutructive and only bitterness and resentment at the accusations.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by throw__away7391 »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

The contrast could not be more stark.

Ukraine has sent their women and children to safety, the men, their leaders, and even many women are staying to fight against overwhelming odds. Literally nobody ever wants a flood of young men into their country.

The Russian invasion of Crimea was already basically ignored 8 years ago. I am 100% certain that if the war had gone something closer to how Putin had hoped, if Zelenskyy has fled to the west, if the military had backed down and the people given up, the response would be similar this time as well.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by vintermann »

older wrote: post #51
vintermann wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are). Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small…

> Try buying kvass in Norway! Easy. I've bought it in Kiwi in Hemsedal (Ulsåk) several times, for example. All Eco Market shops in Oslo as well (run by Ukrainians/Poles btw).

You definitively can't get kvass on your average Kiwi. I can't even get it my local Spar or Mega. But there are always odd exceptions (my local Mega pushes mochi heavily for some weird reason).

Immigrant shops are your best bet, it's true.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by alecco »

emptysongglass wrote: post #70
alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

I don't think this is true. I have received a lot of support among friends, work and my broader social network helping to get out an anti-war Russian from the country. This is spread between Denmark and Germany.

I know this is happening in Spain, France, and UK. And I've heard it's happening in other places. YMMV

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by galfarragem »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> We're helping our neighbour.

Cynical view here: We're helping ourselves.

We all know how difficult is to find good devs (edited: with subpar compensation) nowadays. The same applies on different fields also. As an anecdote, Portuguese government is _actively_ asking Ukrainian refugees to come to Portugal and sending them directly to areas known for chronic worker shortage. Ukrainians, typically, are not social security abusers and as such well seen by natives here. However, Portugal is not being successful and the low wages are being appointed (by our journalists) as the main reason why. This also means that other countries are competing for them.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by vintermann »

ratg13 wrote: post #17
fxtentacle wrote: post #14

Quoted post unavailable.

Refugees don't typically get work visas, being a refugee is meant to be a temporary situation. Most likely these workers are working as remote contractors as people still 'based' in Ukraine. (ukraine bank accounts, etc.) It is much easier to wire money to a ukranian bank account than one in Syria, due to sanctions and other reasons.

Asylees in Norway certainly can get work visas, even before they get an answer to their asylum application. Bank accounts and temporary SSNs are also possible (and probably necessary) to get even before they decide if you get protection.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by danielskogly »

retrojorgen wrote: post #47
Etheryte wrote: post #16

This is a great idea and a good way to help people hit the ground running. One small nit pick, when I have adblock on, the page shows "0 available tech jobs", and your target audience are people who are more likely than average to use adblock.

Fair point! Trying to fix :) In case anyone wants to turn of ad block for the page. we do not run any banner ads on this page or the job board though. so for anyone willing to turn it of, you shouldn't se any wild banner ads.

I find kode24 practically unreadable without uBlock origin. Loading the frontpage, there are 45 items being hidden, and this is just by the cosmetic filters. In addition there are the third party analytics/ad scripts.

Btw, as far as I can tell, you're neither GDPR compliant, nor compliant with ekomloven[0], as you're not mentioning "Cookies" or "Informasjonskapsler" anywhere readily available.

All that being said - great initiative :)

[0]: https://www.nkom.no/internett/informasjonskapsler-cookies#hv...

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